Ask Me Help Desk - Health care legislation update

OK, ex, we've already made our point by what the Dems themselves have said but you don't believe them so just watch what they do.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

You don't get do you? you don't attack the addict, you attack the seller of the junk. You bring down corporate america who thinks it's cool to lie and sell fake food just for a quick buck, you close down all the outlets of this junk and make it illegal, but no you won't do that becuase it's easier to blame the victim. When I buy a burger or chicken that's what I expect to get, not something that has been ground up and reconstituted. And while you are at it you close down tobacco and you close down the alcohol industry because that is corporate america breading disease and poisening america too.

But you won't do that because it will cause unemployment, just as doing something real about health care will cause unemployment too, just think of it unemployed insurance adjusters and lawyers. But No you have a solution that creates employment and maintains employment in the medical industry and the insurance industry

I'm beginning to think you've fallen out of bed on your head some days.

Believe it . Buried in the bill is the under-reported takeover of the student loan industry also. Anthing they can label as "comprehensive reform "will be railroaded through in the same manner this was achieved. Comprehensive immigration, comprehensive energy, comprehensive banking reform are on the way. They have already nationalized the domestic auto industry and are well on their way to nationalizing the financial ,energy ,education sectors .

Gone are the days when the Obot's needed phrases like “reaching across the aisle" and other campaign pablum that some of us saw through. He is fulfilling our predictions .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

believe it . buried in the bill is the under-reported takeover of the student loan industry also.

Can you post the exact text from the bill please?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

OK, ex, we've already made our point by what the Dems themselves have said but you don't believe them so just watch what they do.

Hello again, Steve:

I think we've talked before about your finding obscure off the wall lefties, and ascribing their crap to the party as a whole.

Here's where we differ. Even in the face of right wing nuts, I believe there ARE reasonable people in the Republican party who DON'T want to turn this country into a fascist state. You, however, in the face of left wing nuts, believe they represent everybody on the left.

That's the problem with ideology.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Can you post the exact text from the bill please?

Dude, it was reported in the news today everywhere.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Dude, it was reported in the news today everywhere.

Ok, then link to the exact text.

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Originally Posted by excon

I think we've talked before about your finding obscure off the wall lefties, and ascribing their crap to the party as a whole.

Um, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, President Obama... they are as mainstream as it gets. And they're in charge.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

believe it . buried in the bill is the under-reported takeover of the student loan industry also.

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, it's kind of like a public option in the student loan industry. Of course, the banks don't like it. But, the banks abused (cheated) their customers... If they didn't do that, they could could still be in that business. But, you're right. The government loan program will drive them out of business, and I ain't going to lose any sleep over it.

I'm a believer in the free market. But, when businessmen discovered that they could lobby congress for laws that made them profits, instead of having to earn their profits the old fashioned way, by taking care of their customers, they STOPPED taking care of their customers. Whoda thunk they'd do that?

But, they did. So, as it turns out, students who borrowed from them (and it didn't matter which one, because they ALL had the game rigged), were in debt up to their eyeballs before they even found a job... The bankers called up their friends in congress and asked them to pass a law that PREVENTED students from discharging these loans through bankruptcy, and guess what? Their pliant congressmen DID their bidding...

So, as antithetical as it might appear to my private enterprise stance, I believe government needs to correct the abuses of the past.. Now, if businessmen competed like they USED to, I wouldn't be saying, what I'm saying.

excon

NK it doesn't surprise me that you didn't hear of this as they tacked this major seizure of a different industry as an amendment to an unrelated bill.

washingtonpost.com

I found it: House backs Obama's bid to revamp student loans | Reuters

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Nonpartisan congressional budget analysts project that the measure would save about $61 billion over 10 years. Savings would go increased federal grants to the neediest students as well as to other education programs... House Education Committee Chairman Miller defended the proposal, saying, "We can reform the student loan program by taking these wasteful subsidies (to private lenders) -- and redeem the savings for millions of families and students who want a shot at attending college."

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok, then link to the exact text.

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SEC. 2202. TERMINATION OF FEDERAL LOAN INSURANCE
12 PROGRAM.
13 Section 424(a) (20 U.S.C. 1074(a)) is amended by
14 striking ‘‘September 30, 1976,’’ and all that follows and
15 inserting ‘‘September 30, 1976, for each of the succeeding
16 fiscal years ending prior to October 1, 2009, and for the
17 period from October 1, 2009, to June 30, 2010, for loans
18 first disbursed on or before June 30, 2010.’’.

Got it?

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Al Sharpton put it bluntly, the American people voted foer Socialism when they voted for Obama.

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"First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama," Sharpton said. "Let's not act as though the president didn't tell the American people - the president offered the American people health reform when he ran. He was overwhelmingly elected running on that and he has delivered what he promised."

I think he's wrong, the American people did not vote FOR socialism, they voted FOR an illusion.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Al Sharpton put it bluntly, the American people voted foer Socialism when they voted for Obama.

Hello again, Steve:

Finding these off the wall dingbats who have dingbat opinions does NOT make them so. I actually argue what is happening - NOT what some dingbat says is happening. I wish you'd do the same.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Finding these off the wall dingbats who have dingbat opinions does NOT make them so. I actually argue what is happening - NOT what some dingbat says is happening. I wish you'd do the same.

excon

Totally agree here. We haven't trotted out the racist remarks by tea partiers and attributed them to all conservatives.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The question then becomes ;will the majority of the Dems be willing to march with the leadership over the cliff and sacrifice themselves for their ideology ?

I don't know, but Bart was partying on last night.

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Originally Posted by excon

Finding these off the wall dingbats who have dingbat opinions does NOT make them so. I actually argue what is happening - NOT what some dingbat says is happening. I wish you'd do the same.

Dingbat or not, if he's right he's right. I'm not the one that made Sharpton a 'leader' on the left.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't know, but Bart was partying on last night.

Oh My GOD! That's awful! They had drinks after work!!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Totally agree here. We haven't trotted out the racist remarks by tea partiers and attributed them to all conservatives.

Your knees still jerking I see.