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Yes sure use the drivers licence, passport or whatever other photo id might be about but don't add another tier of regulation. I know some people might not have photo id, like they may need some other form of id to establish bona fides but the process shouldn't be made difficult, and simple photo and stat. declaration if no other means can be established The right to vote must be upheld over the need to regulate
agreed . However ,even those common sense provisions are opposed by the Dems. The only conclusion I can draw is that they prefer to overlook voter fraud . Could it be because they benefit when voting districts report over 100% participation ;or when trunk loads of absentee ballots suddenly appear during close election recounts ?
I'd call it a lot more more than being a little bit rabid... its more like being just a little bit dead... or a little bit pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
In fact I don't know how they have the guts to call themselves journalists its so bad.
yesterday it was revealed that before the emperor's press sec ,Jay Carney answers questions ,journalists submit the questions in writing .... Sometimes the WH prints his responses for them before the Q&A sessions begin. They are poodles . They so fear retaliation from this adm that they willingly distort the news ,slanting it in favor of the emperor ;or just not reporting it at all.
How else can the 1st Lady (the new Evita ) take her rainbow tour to China ,and not have ANY US PRESS accompany her ? Don't give me the bs that this is a vacation. She is going to meet with her counterpart ;and the US taxpayer is paying for the trip.
we are getting a little emotive here Tom arn't we. what I think you are saying is the counting process isn't properly supervisedQuote:
trunk loads of absentee ballots
Actually he's not kidding... it happened when Al Frankan was losing his recount... when Surprise a trunkload of ballots from a Democrat officials car is found? No control what so ever of ballots after they are cast apparently... and absolutely no questioning when they "turn up " just when needed and as needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Happened in lots of other places too.
Same people sell Oceanfront Property in Kansas too.
let's be clear a truckload does not fit in a car so we are saying a significant quantity as I was saying the process is not properly supervised. You see, living in a place with a sophisticated electoral system, I cannot comprehend the level of corruption apparently associated with your electoral system. If you have a system where votes can be withheld or introduced into the count then you can never be certain of anything
what I meant was that absentee ballots fortuitously were found in a Dem poll worker's car trunk and helped Franken win a Senate seat. and yes I wrote "trunk load " not 'truck load'.
What if those ballots had helped the Repub candidate win?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Then you would have read about it every day in every newspaper in the country for the rest of the term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Republican, Democrat, Human, whatever. Election fraud is election fraud. It happens all over. "True the Vote" is documenting new cases every week. True The VoteQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I can offer only one word; Integrity, if you cannot ensure that, you got nothing
You said "integrity" when talking about politicians. BWAHAHAHaHahahahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
What if ? I'd still be in favor of voter id laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I am too. Just don't demand them two weeks before an election.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
No I said Integrity when talking about the electoral process, which isn't about politics. You see this is where our attitudes diverge. presenting your policies, etc to the people in order to be elected is politics, providing a secure electoral system so that votes can be recorded and counted is government. The two are different and must have seperate administrations. You don't allow don't allow the politicians to have control of the judicial process why would you allow them to have control of the electoral process, but allowing local officials to tamper with the electoral process is corruptQuote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
It would take a constitutional amendment to remove the right of each of the 50 states to run their own states election rules. But SCOTUS or the federal court can rule them UNconstitutional.
So yeah state politicians run their election process.
I feel very sad for you, however a state running a process can still have integrity if properly administered but for the sake of order and good government they should align and uniformly apply the rules. However as you are over governed, even at a local level, not much chance of that. You see we long ago dealt with such problems and our electoral office even oversees Union elections. Once you understand that a process can be corrupted you have to act to correct it
where did I hear that before ? Oh yeah .I've been saying that.Quote:
as you are over governed,
Tal ,Clete's comment has nothing to do with the federalist system . You can have integrity in the process even when 50 states administer their own elections . You just have to want it . The Dems don't .
I won't agree with that as usual Tom, but when you affect the voting rights of so many while trying to prevent so few, I just think there is a better way. I have been saying for a while I am for a national ID program.
At least have a process that can pass the legal definition of FAIR. But that's not your real goal at all, and everybody knows it.
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