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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Isn't he the one who started all this with his Patriot Act?

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And we trusted them - both sides - to remain within the confines of "foreign" surveillance part of FISA and not used against all of us. In light of that betrayal should we trust them with even more? Do you trust them?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And we trusted them - both sides - to remain within the confines of "foreign" surveillance part of FISA and not used against all of us. In light of that betrayal should we trust them with even more? Do you trust them?

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I never trusted them to stay within the fenced-in area. "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Like my dad always said, "Give 'em a finger and they will take the whole hand." That is true no matter where you go.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I never trusted them to stay within the fenced-in area. "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Like my dad always said, "Give 'em a finger and they will take the whole hand." That is true no matter where you go.

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Perhaps "entrusted" would be a better word.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Perhaps "entrusted" would be a better word.

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I meant what I said.

The Patriot Act clearly did NOT make domestic datamining of ALL phone #s legal.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The Patriot Act clearly did NOT make domestic datamining of ALL phone #s legal.

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No, they instead went after library reading preferences. Librarians stopped that pretty quickly.

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I meant what I said.

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OK, me too. We entrusted them with our rights and they violated that trust, would you entrust them with protecting gun registry data and not abusing it?

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OK, me too. We entrusted them with our rights and they violated that trust, would you entrust them with protecting gun registry data and not abusing it?

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They tried to get into library patron records, so no.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

They tried to get into library patron records, so no.

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Thank you, me either.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

But, you don't "theoretically" believe Obama will come for your guns.. You ACTUALLY DO believe it. I'm just asking YOU how that ACTUALLY might take place, and WHY you think it ACTUALLY would.

What? Aren't those legit questions? I think they go to the HEART of the argument.

excon

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You might want to look at this. Its from 5 years ago so way before all of the sandy hook and other events.

Obama's Gun Control Positions - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Isn't he the one who started all this with his Patriot Act?

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No he is not the one that started it all. Clinton did.

Archived-Articles: Under Clinton, NY Times called surveillance "a necessity"

NSA Watch | Echelon FAQ

All I know is Obama is setting a poor example.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BM1aYmLCMAAnpg2.jpg:large

The Obama family has had gun safety training.

Hello again, Steve:

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All I know is Obama is setting a poor example.

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You got it exactly backwards... The president doesn't follow the lead of stupid teachers.. They follow HIS lead.. It's OK, really, to squirt your kids with a water gun.

Excon

That's it convert the 300,000,000 guns to water guns then shoot who and what you like

He said you could take your guns into state parks but you can't allow him to squirt his water gun??

What's wrong with THAT picture?

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Hello again, Steve:

You got it exactly backwards... The president doesn't follow the lead of stupid teachers.. They follow HIS lead.. It's ok, really, to squirt your kids with a water gun.

excon

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Just don't use a cap gun or point a Pop Tart.

Now that the administration has solved all our other issues Biden is gearing up for another run at gun control, warning that lawmakers who oppose it will pay a political price (yeah, Democrats).

Also on board, Organizing For Action. A protest in San Bernadino drew 3 members.

Yea, Americans shooting each isn't as important an issue as that horrible pic of Obama playing with his kids with a water gun.

So the president shouldn't set the example? How many kids are going to get suspended from school and interrogated until they pee their pants because they saw this picture and brought a cap gun or water gun to school, or pointed a Pop Tart at someone?