Which countries have no gun violence, mass shootings? Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Which countries have no gun violence, mass shootings? Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Israel has no school shootings. They have armed security at every school.
Switzerland has very little gun violence despite the fact that most of the homes have an assault weapon in the house. Out of wedlock birth rate is 20% compared to 35% here.
I'd still love to know what liberal dems (or liberal repubs) propose to do in order to make any really serious difference in gun violence. A ban on the sale of "assault weapons" will do very little.
England/the UK? Canada? India? Vietnam?
You answer my question and I'll answer yours.
I'd still love to know what liberal dems (or liberal repubs) propose to do in order to make any really serious difference in gun violence. A ban on the sale of "assault weapons" will do very little.
More than 50 people killed in 'vile and satanic' attack on Nigerian Catholic Church
https://www.foxnews.com/world/dozens...igerian-church
I'm not a liberal anything.
Yeah. You're a lib. And one who doesn't care to answer serious questions.
I'd still love to know what liberal dems (or liberal repubs) propose to do in order to make any really serious difference in gun violence. A ban on the sale of "assault weapons" will do very little.
No, I'm not. Are you being confrontational again to drive me away? It's working. Please stick to the discussion.
There is no discussion since you are unwilling to answer questions and insist upon denying a most obvious truth. If you really want a discussion, then here is the question for the fourth time. I altered it somewhat to make you more comfortable.
I'd still love to know what Wondergirl proposes to do in order to make any really serious difference in gun violence. A ban on the sale of "assault weapons" will do very little.
WG has no say in the matter.
My adult son was watching "Duncanville" (an adult animated sitcom) last night. Duncan (age 15) and his younger sibs, along with other children, enjoyed (!!!!!) time at "Teen Zone" where the kids played laser tag, shooting at each other with fake guns.
I almost threw up.
From the Babylon Bee.
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I guess I should point out that the cartoon has to do with the inaccurate comments by Biden and nothing to do with the tragedy at Uvalde.
From recent polling.
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In light of taking potential gun control measures to protect schools, 62 percent said that they are in favor of having armed guards stationed at all schools, while 51 percent said they support giving teachers and school administrators the "option of being armed at school."
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The Economist/YouGov poll, which surveyed 1,500 American adults between May 28 and 31, found that 51 percent agree with the statement that "school shootings are a mental health problem, not a guns problem."
Bringing the Repub surrender on Red Flag laws back to a gun related posting .
Turns out the deal may be dead . There is disagreement about Gun Confiscation Orders (GCOs) .
Gun deal in jeopardy after senators fail to agree on text - The Washington Post
Yeah text . Hastily written feel good legislation frequently have bad text that turns well intentioned into an assault on the rights of the law abiding .
"There's compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we've learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre"
"Three minutes after the subject entered the west building, there was a sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract, and neutralize the subject."
"The only thing stopping the hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children"
"The officers had weapons, the children had none," "The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none."
"One hour, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds — that's how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in room 111 to be rescued,". "And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for a radio, and rifles, then he waited for shields, then he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed,"
"The post-Columbine doctrine is clear, and compelling, and unambiguous," "Stop the killing, stop the dying."
(Testimony by Steve McCraw, the director of Texas' Department of Public Safety to a special Texas Senate committee yesterday )
ting Response an "Abject Failure" | C-SPAN.org
There were many mistakes made, the propped-open door being one of the biggest.
14 Repubs sign on to the new .improved compromise of gun rights bill. It looks like they made a lame attempt to protect due process . But if falls short of a guarantee of 2nd Amendment rights .
From the text there must be at a minimum ;
pre-deprivation and post deprivation due process rights that prevent any violation or infringement of the Constitution of the United States, including but not limited to the Bill of Rights, and the substantive or procedural due process rights guaranteed under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as applied to the States, and as interpreted by State courts and United States courts (including the Supreme Court of the United States). Such programs must include, at the appropriate phase to prevent any violation of constitutional rights, at minimum, notice, the right to an in-person hearing, an unbiased adjudicator, the right to know opposing evidence, the right to present evidence, and the right to confront adverse witnesses;
OLL22583 (senate.gov)
(It is 80 pages long in legalese text . Good luck reading it and all the references to other laws . )
The bill insists on the right to council .But the government doesn't have to pay . In other words ,most of the people flagged for red flag restrictions will probably not have the financial means to pay for their own lawyer . But without the means to get a lawyer to help defend rights ;rights barely exist . That is why it is specified in Miranda that if someone can't afford a lawyer that the government will provide one . To me this is a key weakness in this bill.
The bill also allows for the unsealing of juvenal records of those applying for a gun under the age of 21 . I think that is an acceptable compromise .
Recent mass shootings, including those at a Texas elementary school and a New York supermarket, have renewed public attention on President Joe Biden’s views on gun control. An array of recent Facebook posts are spotlighting one quote in particular from decades ago.
“During my twelve-and-a-half years as a member of this body, I have never believed that additional gun control or federal registration of guns would reduce crime,” read part of a quote attributed to then-Sen. Biden in a June 7 Facebook post that was shared more than 1,500 times in less than a week. Other versions of the claim spread widely across the social media platform.
Biden did make this comment during debate over gun legislation in a 1985 Senate floor session. He has gone on to advocate for gun control measures including a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fact...220318331.html
Over the course of 5 decades of public service incompetence you can find he has made contradictory statements on most positions he has taken. My all time favorite one was about not needing semi-automatic rifles because double barrel shotguns are more of a deterrence. They make louder blasts . Fire two blasts into the air .He allegedly gave this advice to Jill Biden . A double barrel shotgun has one heck of a recoil. It would probably dislocate her shoulder .
Career politician. Say what makes the most people happy.
Interesting SC decision today. New York cannot prohibit concealed carry because the applicant cannot demonstrate a personal danger. I don't know how far that opens the door, but it would seem to be common sense that an otherwise law-abiding person should be able to carry a gun concealed. The real target here should be the mentally ill, serious criminals, gang bangers, and anyone else who can be demonstrated to be unfit to carry to a weapon.
i lived in NY pen for years . They abuse gun rights as much as any state including the absurdity of my county banning all gun discharge . There was no hunting permitted even though the county was teaming with all types of wild life. That made a criminal technically of many people I knew who would hunt on their own property . The question always is do all these gun laws make it safer ? More than 2 dozen people were shot in NY on the weekend that the end of slavery was celebrated .
One would think that the right to keep and bear arms would automatically lead to the right to discharge such weapons. Otherwise, what would be the point of having them?
Discharge them whenever? And at whomever?
yes very broad restrictions . In my county guns could be used in supervised ranges . It did not stop anything . Gun violence still happened and there were many otherwise legal gun owners who became "criminal" by shooting game and doing target practice on their own property .
You mean the criminals didn't stop and think, "Wait a minute. I can't rob this convenience store. After all, the gun I'm using might need discharging, and that's against the law. I'll have to just watch a ballgame instead?"
I can see laws against discharging a firearm in a crowded city, but such laws in a rural area is just ridiculous.
C. Thomas put it pretty well.
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"We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need," Justice Clarence Thomas noted in the majority opinion. "That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant's right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense."
Another well stated opinion by Justice Thomas .
I can't really understand the Americans, but many people in Europe feel the same way. Why are they so insistent on their guns??? Does it really make you feel better or freer?
To prevent school massacre teachers should be armed...how sick is that???
The law overturned was the 1911 Sullivan Act. it was aimed specifically at disarming Italian Americans . It was named after Tammany Hall operative Tim Sullivan . Fellow law officer Bat Masterson called the law "obnoxious " and questioned Sullivan's sanity .
The 1st person convicted was an Italian American named Marino Rossi . He was travelling and had a hand gun for protection against Italian American mobsters . The NY Slimes called his arrest a "warning to the Italian community" both "timely and exemplary "
The following is transcript of a Tucker Carlson monologue that I saw this morning . I think he nails it so I will post the part where he links mass shootings to over prescription of psychotropic drugs .
They're numbed by the endless psychotropic drugs that are handed out in every school in the country by crackpots posing as counselors and of course, they're angry. They know that their lives will not be better than their parents. They'll be worse. That's all but guaranteed. They know that. They're not that stupid and yet, the authorities in their lives, mostly women, never stops lecturing them about their so-called privilege. You're male. You're privileged. Imagine that. Try to imagine an unhealthier, unhappier life than that
So, a lot of young men in America are going nuts. Are you surprised? And by the way, a shockingly large number of them have been prescribed psychotropic drugs by their doctors, SSRI or antidepressants and that would include quite a few mass shooters and keep in mind, again, these drugs are meant to prevent crazy behavior and yet there seems to be a connection.
Eric Harris, the columbine killer was on Zoloft and Luvox. A year earlier, a 15-year-old called Kip Kinkel shot his parents and dozens of classmates. He was on Prozac. In 2005, a 16-year-old called Jeff Weise killed his grandfather and ten kids in Minnesota. He was on Prozac, too. So was 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak who murdered six people at Northern Illinois University. In 2012, you may recall when 25-year-old James Holmes walked into a movie theater and shot 82 people. He was on Zoloft.
The list goes on and on and on and on. It includes the shooter at the Washington Navy Yard in 2013. That would be 34-year-old Aaron Alexis. It also includes Dylan Roof. He's the 21-year-old who shot up the church in Charleston. Now, he was apparently a racist, and we've heard a lot about that. Fine, but we've heard next to nothing about the fact that he was taking SSRIs, he and many, many others. You're not supposed to notice, but some have.
The Journal of Political Psychology once assembled a list of dozens more mass killings, all committed by young people, young men on prescription drugs. So, is there a connection? Well, we don't know definitively. We do know there are a whole lot more of these drugs being taken by kids than ever before and by the entire population. Who's not taking some prescription medication at this point? Between 1991 and 2018, total SSRI prescriptions in the United States rose by more than 3,000%. 3,000%!
3,000% of anything is a massive change. You don't see changes like that, but the point of this change was to make Americans calmer, saner, happier. Take these drugs and your problems will go away. Yes, you will become numb. You will lose part of yourself. You no longer experience deep joy. You'll become part robot, but at least you won't want to kill yourself or harm other people. That was the promise.
3,000%. Did it work? Let's see. Over the very same period, the suicide rate in the United States jumped by 35%. Did it work? Well, millions of people got on anti-suicide drugs and we wound up with many more suicides. So, maybe it's not working. Is it possible it's making the problem worse, you think? Well, let's see. Mass shootings also increased dramatically over the very same period. Here's a chart that shows it. Now the halfwits on Twitter always scream the same thing. Correlation is not causation. All right. Whatever that means, but tell us, halfwits. What is going on exactly? What does that chart mean?
We know that SSRIs are dangerous. It says so right on the label. They increase "the risk of anxiety, agitation, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity and mania." Oh, not a big deal. That's not causation. Then what is it? According to one meta study by the FDA, young people who've been prescribed SSRI have an increased rate of suicide. Oh, wait. More suicides? Weren't they supposed to reduce suicide, but we're getting more suicide? Let's stop right there, but we're not stopping. We're accelerating.
Between 2015 and 2019, the use of SSRI drugs by teens in the United States rose by nearly 40%. So, it's not working? Let's do a whole lot more of it.
This seems like a massive and extremely obvious problem, extremely obvious. People aren't themselves. They're taking drugs that appear to be causing the behavior that drugs are designed to prevent. Why don't they talk about this on TV? Oh, let's see. In 2020, the pharmaceutical industry spent more than $4.5 billion advertising on national television in this country. Now, how much is that? Well, to put it in some context, Pfizer spent more on advertising in 2020 than it did on research and development.
But it wasn't a bad decision. It was a great decision. Pfizer's revenue doubled last year to more than $81 billion. Now, how do they do that? Well, the ad campaign paid off. It helped convince politicians to require the entire population take Pfizer products, products that don't work as advertised, that have killed large numbers of people and whose side effects are indemnified against lawsuits by the United States Congress. That's quite a business model. You might think it could be a subject of a media story, but no. No stories on Pfizer. They're paid to be fanboys of Pfizer. Therefore, they are.
Here's a tweet, for example, from CNBC, which is ostensibly a news organization and we're quoting, "Pfizer is uniquely positioned to advance MRNA, which could be a breakthrough for other infectious diseases, genetic diseases and cancer. (Paid post for Pfizer) #ad." It was on their Twitter account, a news organization. They're admitting it's a paid post for Pfizer. But in CNBC's defense, they're not alone. Pretty much all the news coverage you see in the United States is a paid post for Pfizer.
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Oh, it's all brought to you by Pfizer. Now, why is that? Because TV channels don't prescribe drugs. Doctors do. So, why would Pfizer, a drug company, be advertising on television? Well, we're not sure the answer. Let's put it this way. Don't hold your breath waiting for CNN or Good Morning America to do a hard-hitting investigative piece on the potential connection between prescription drugs and violence. Probably not going to happen since they sponsor those channels. They're going to keep telling you it's all about guns. It's all about guns.
Seems like a chicken/egg question. People are depressed or anxious, so they take prescription meds. Then they go out and shoot people. Was it because they were depressed/anxious, or was it because of the pills?
The first paragraph was right on target. I have thought a lot recently of what we tell our boys now. I was raised on inspiring stories about the Alamo, or Normandy, or R.E. Lee, or the Union troops at Fredericksburg, or A. Lincoln. These were stories about men of real courage with the idea that I should become a man of real courage someday. I never felt a sense of shame for being male and white. Boys should be told about M.L. King and Churchill. Statues should be left alone. We should tell them that they are boys and that being male is a good thing, and that they need to grow up to become good husbands and fathers, able to defend their families if need be.
Sadly, now we tell them that they probably aren't boys to begin with. We need to listen to Jordan Peterson more. He teaches that boys should become dangerous (monsters!), but with an accompanying ability to control that power.
Today's words of wisdom comes from the Goracle on 'Meet the Press ' .
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"You know, the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas, who were waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred"... "They heard the screams, they heard the gunshots, and nobody stepped forward."
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Well go figure. Turns out those armed security guards work after all!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-s...an-9-years-agoQuote:
"After watching how the Uvalde tragedy unfolded-- I wanted you to know how thankful I am that you did not hesitate to run into that locker room for those girls. I wanted you to see that scared 13-year-old turned into an incredible young lady who is living her life to the fullest. Thank you for thinking of her first on that scary day. You are always in my prayers," O'Neal wrote to Morrow, according to photos of the letter posted by the sheriff’s office.
And look how a security guard worked yet again. Amazing!
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A school police officer in Jacksonville shot an ax-wielding man who tried and failed to enter an elementary school after police caught up with him, and he refused to drop his weapon.
Duval County Superintendent Dr. Diana Greene told News 4 Jax that the incident occurred around 2:48 p.m. on Friday, and Ruth N. Upson Elementary School went into lockdown when the man approached the school. A school safety assistant initially turned the man back and followed him a short distance but did not leave the campus in order to ensure that the school remained secure, Burton told reporters.
"Police officers from the Duval County School Police Department were on the way. As the subject then left the school, he made his way towards a church where he was then encountered by the police officers," DCPS Police Chief Greg Burton said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-s...mentary-school
It serves the left's political purpose to have school shootings. Clearly there are deterrence to prevent them .
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