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Uhm...no.Quote:
Have you ever been on a date with a guy
"I am woman, hear me roar!" Get rid of the loser and find a respectable man. Why does that seem so complicated to you? Do women only have the right to choice when it involves killing their unborn children?Quote:
What can she do?
I have. No fun, no fun at all. Had to talk my way out of those situations as well as several others.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I finally did find that respectable man. And my dating adventures were during the '60 when most young men were Christian and lived in two-parent families. I can only imagine what it's like now. Carry a taser? Concealed carry of a firearm?Quote:
"I am woman, hear me roar!" Get rid of the loser and find a respectable man. Why does that seem so complicated to you? Do women only have the right to choice when it involves killing their unborn children?
Why not drive your own car the first few dates, meet the guy at a restaurant or coffee shop, have a nice time (hopefully) in a public setting, say good night, and drive your own car back home. In other words, make some wise and safe decisions. Not only that, but tell him early on that you don't sleep around. Don't dress like a slut when you're dating. Know your own rules before you go out.
Make sense?
I was in my late teens and had no license or car. My parents knew the young men and their families, approved of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"Sleeping around" was not a consideration or even a vague thought back in the early '60. The term hadn't been invented yet -- plus that activity wasn't in the dating playbook. That's not what girls did where I lived.
You believe a woman who has been raped and made pregnant should carry that fetus to term?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then your parents were terribly wrong in that regard, and you were foolish for not informing them of their very wrong approval of these boys. Even worse, there was nothing to prevent you from having your parents drive you to a restaurant so you could have a public date with the boy to get an idea of his character, and then have your parents pick you up afterwards. Was there a reason you couldn't do that? Did your father have a good talk with your dates as they arrived to pick you up. "I am trusting you with my daughter. She is precious beyond description to me. I expect you to return her in the same condition she is in now. Do we have an understanding???"Quote:
I was in my late teens and had no license or car. My parents knew the young men and their families, approved of them.
Then why did the boys think you were open to that idea?Quote:
"Sleeping around" was not a consideration or even a vague thought back in the early '60. The term hadn't been invented yet -- plus that activity wasn't in the dating playbook. That's not what girls did where I lived.
So these were the "Christian boys" you were dating? Don't sound like Christians to me. Why didn't you slap the snot out of the little twerp and insist he take you home? "...but during kisses after the movie, a switch flips, and he tries to unbutton your blouse while his tongue forces itself between your lips? And he pushes forward from there. Or for your first date, the guy, who promised to take you to a nice restaurant for a late dinner, instead drives into a deserted warehouse zone, and parks in a very dark section, then proceeds to .... I'm sure you can imagine the rest."
A really good strategy for a Christian girl is to bring up the subject of Jesus and saving faith during her first date. Not just in passing, but in a truly serious and extended manner. That will set a pretty good tone.
I've already addressed the rape issue a little over a week ago. At any rate, let's finish our dating discussion before changing subjects.
We had only one car and my dad was always busy with church work and church members -- no time to drive his daughter many miles anywhere for a date and then pick her up later. And yes, I spilled the beans on the guys (whose parents were valued church members).Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So after you told your father that a boy had forcefully kissed you and attempted to remove your clothes, what did he do?Quote:
We had only one car and my dad was always busy with church work and church members -- no time to drive his daughter many miles anywhere for a date and then pick her up later. And yes, I spilled the beans on the guys (whose parents were valued church members).
If your dad was so busy with other things that he did not take care of his daughter, then sorry, but he was far too busy. I just don't buy that excuse.
At any rate, your history aside, we have discussed what women can do to stay away from losers. Do you know of any reason they should not do so?
They hadn't planned anything ahead of time, had always been respectful. They were acting on a sexual impulse during a golden opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why did you give them a golden opportunity? Why are you making excuses for them?
And again. "So after you told your father that a boy had forcefully kissed you and attempted to remove your clothes, what did he do?"
Teen hormones at work. They were very nice guys. Apparently, I was a nifty challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I was forbidden to date for a time except in groups. Id est, I, not them, was the one punished.Quote:
And again. "So after you told your father that a boy had forcefully kissed you and attempted to remove your clothes, what did he do?"
Like too many women who've been impregnated and will not be allowed to get a needed abortion if Roe is tossed out.
So you told your father these things, and his response was to forbid YOU to date other than in groups? A boy is supposed to take you to a restaurant but instead he takes you to a deserted warehouse and tries to have sex with you, and your father's response was nothing more than that? Sorry...that is hard to believe.
I would still like to know why you gave those boys that "golden opportunity". Sounds like you weren't exactly the little miss innocent that you are presenting yourself to be.
I was the pastor's daughter. A goal to brag about later.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Like I said. You were not the little miss innocent after all. It was not altogether the fault of the boys. I don't believe for one second you ever told your father the story that you posted here. Good grief I hope not. Surely he was have responded more forcefully with the boy than that. Boys shouldn't be allowed to get by with that behavior. Of course that's assuming you were protesting.
Girls need to be taught these things. They need to be taught to dress properly and set clear boundaries. Parents need to be taught these things. Boys need to be taught to respect girls. Instead of being responsible, we have just settled on the solution of killing the unborn baby. What a culture we are in.
He was not a confrontational man. His responsibility was for me, not the boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I ALWAYS dressed properly. So somehow it's the woman's fault. She didn't dress properly or behave properly or set boundaries (like the guy will always respect her then, ha ha!). I figured you'd end up there. That's why Roe is where it is now.Quote:
Girls need to be taught these things. They need to be taught to dress properly and set clear boundaries. Parents need to be taught these things. Boys need to be taught to respect girls. Instead of being responsible, we have just settled on the solution of killing the unborn baby. What a culture we are in.
A boy sexually assaults your daughter but you’re not a confrontational man???
We are not talking about “the woman”; we are talking about you. You referred to these incidents as goals to be bragged about later. Now you’re trying to find an escape route, but they were your words. So rather than being honest you instead put words in my mouth I never said. Miss evasion at work again.
I never said you didn't dress properly. Another evasion.
Sexually assaults??? He didn't get past the kiss. I demanded to be taken home. He did so. Back in the '60s, males knew their place.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Obviously you have greatly misunderstood. I was the cute PK, in general a desirable female, a goal to be bragged about by a MALE, not me. Again, another reason Roe must be kept.Quote:
We are not talking about “the woman”; we are talking about you. You referred to these incidents as goals to be bragged about later. Now you’re trying to find an escape route, but they were your words. So rather than being honest you instead put words in my mouth I never said. Miss evasion at work again.
I never said you didn't dress properly. Another evasion.
That’s not what you said. You said he took you to an abandoned parking lot and tried to take your clothes off. Change of story? Now you claim those boys knew their place.
Ok so why did you give that golden opportunity for a light switch to be flicked?
You would be a terrible witness in a court case. Your story changes every ten minutes. We’ve gone from sexual assaults to boys that all know their place and only try to steal a kiss. Hmmm.
And he failed. They knew they had to stop when told to. They don't know that nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Being a passenger in a car and on the way to eat a late dinner?Quote:
Ok so why did you give that golden opportunity for a light switch to be flicked?
No, YOU keep changing it as you deliberately twist or misunderstand. YOU made it sexual assault.Quote:
You would be a terrible witness in a court case. Your story changes every ten minutes. We’ve gone from sexual assaults to boys that all know their place and only try to steal a kiss. Hmmm.
I'm done. Sorry, Tom. Back to SCOTUS.
Dear WG. You went from this
to this...Quote:
"...but during kisses after the movie, a switch flips, and he tries to unbutton your blouse while his tongue forces itself between your lips? And he pushes forward from there. Or for your first date, the guy, who promised to take you to a nice restaurant for a late dinner, instead drives into a deserted warehouse zone, and parks in a very dark section, then proceeds to .... I'm sure you can imagine the rest."
to this...Quote:
I have. No fun, no fun at all. Had to talk my way out of those situations as well as several others.
to this...Quote:
And yes, I spilled the beans on the guys
to this...Quote:
I was forbidden to date for a time except in groups. Id est, I, not them, was the one punished.
and lastly to this.Quote:
Sexually assaults??? He didn't get past the kiss. I demanded to be taken home. He did so. Back in the '60s, males knew their place.
So a "nice guy", a Christian boy who "knew his place" and knew he had to stop when told to drove you to a deserted parking lot, put his tongue past your lips, tried to take off your clothes, and it was all so bad that we must "imagine the rest"? Then you "spilled the beans" on not just him but several "guys" with the result that your father, who did not want to confront anyone about these repeated, shall we say "problems", punished you instead of addressing the boys?Quote:
And he failed. They knew they had to stop when told to.
Now that's quite a story. I have no doubt that it has some truth to it, and I have no doubt it was a terrible experience. It just seems you change direction frequently in accord with whatever point you happen to be trying to make at the time. You started with hormone-crazed, sex maniacs and ended up with a group of nice guys who knew their place and know when to stop. It's just all puzzling.
And all of that to justify your idea that it's OK for a doctor to brutally kill an unborn child. If it's not OK for men/boys to sexually assault women, and it certainly is not, then why would it be OK for a doctor to kill the unborn?
Imagine the rest -- I gave him a very huge piece of my mind. And never went out with him again.
Stop embroidering.
Men DO assault women all the time. And get them pregnsnt. If your daughter or granddsughter was assaulted and got pregnant, then what?
And the story changes yet again. It is hard to think that "imagine the rest" was somehow intended to convey the far from shocking idea of you giving the boy a "very huge" chunk of your mind and never going out with him again. So that's change #7 or so? A good witness in a trial you would not be. I'm afraid you'd end up in jail for perjury.Quote:
Imagine the rest -- I gave him a very huge piece of my mind. And never went out with him again.
You told that highly malleable story to convey the idea that a female never knows what kind of person she is dealing with when a woman goes out with a man. I gave some suggestions of how she could protect herself against that. You've never given your ideas. How should a woman protect herself from the possibility of dating a guy who is far too aggressive, especially in our present culture when practically all television shows and movies depict women as every bit as sexually eager as men with a corresponding expectation of intimacy on the first date?
If your daughter or granddaughter was assaulted and got pregnant, then what? Would she carry the fetus to term, then keep it? Give it up for adoption?
I'm a writer and saw you were bored. It kept you awake, didn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
From today's column by Clarence Page:
One of the laws the Supreme Court justices are considering is a Mississippi law that makes most abortions illegal after 15 weeks of pregnancy, about two months earlier than Roe and later decisions allow. Mississippi lawmakers last year rejected a bill that would have let mothers keep their Medicaid coverage for a year after giving birth, up from the current two months.
Once again, we see in Mississippi a sad case of “right to life” advocates whose concern for the unborn appears to evaporate as soon as they’re born.
The likely result is to make abortion unsafe, illegal and even more tragic.
And from today's Voice of the people:
Consequences for men?
After hearing the details of the leaked Supreme Court draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade and listening to the discussions about its fallout, I have
regretfully heard not one consequence that any male participant suffers. Except for men’s part in conception, no man will have to anxiously await the unwanted results of a pregnancy test, have to delve into the deepest part of his soul for guidance or make the life-altering decision to terminate a pregnancy.
And even if a mother decides against abortion, unless the man involved admits to his fatherhood or chooses to become a part of that child’s life, it seems the woman is not only carrying the child in her body but she is also permanently responsible for the child’s well-being and rearing. In some cases, the biological father does not carry that burden, and the mother must rely on a court for financial assistance. Even in those situations, the biological father can opt out of his child’s life.
So for all of the outrage of a woman’s decision to abort a fetus, where is the outrage when a biological father has no responsibility to the happiness, security or welfare of his child? Are the states that are so aggressively pro-life willing to identify and force biological fathers to be financially responsible for their children? Are they willing to force these men to be active parents? Is such a mandate possible?
Yes, adoption is one option for a woman’s pregnancy, but again, this is a decision primarily made by the mother, sometimes with regret and lifelong grief.
I have not heard any pro-life advocates speak about any intolerable anxiety or grief that any man suffers when a decision to terminate is made. I hear only about the righteous indignation of pro-life advocates when they speak of women killing their babies. So women, besides being the procreators, live with a potential human being in their wombs, have to make a monumental decision regarding their personal health and child-raising ability, and suffer the legal and moral consequences if Roe v. Wade is overturned.
Sounds like it is a “man’s world.”
only men support laws to protect babies from infanticide ?
Fiction is certainly your specialty. I don't intend that to be mean, but it's difficult to have a serious discussion with a person who seems to have but little regard for the truth.Quote:
I'm a writer and saw you were bored. It kept you awake, didn't it.
His column is about as full of falsehoods as a recent fake story was. The statement above is flatly wrong. Our organization helps a number of women with raising their children and our state is awash in crisis pregnancy centers, all run, I might point out, by pro-lifers. It's just another fake-news column by a person who thinks the killing of unborn children is the answer for the irresponsible behavior of adults. The lying news media is going to go into high gear in an attempt to panic the American people.Quote:
Once again, we see in Mississippi a sad case of “right to life” advocates whose concern for the unborn appears to evaporate as soon as they’re born.
One thing about men . A man who would have his baby killed so as not to be stuck with the mom is probably not a good choice to hook up with .
And she doesn't. Plus, he denies it's his. Watch Maury Povich's show weekday mornings. DNA tests galore! (requested by the mothers)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
no can do . I have a lifeQuote:
Watch Maury Povich's show weekday mornings.
I think we are on to a problem here.Quote:
Watch Maury Povich's show weekday mornings.
You don't want to see men in denial faced with DNA results that prove they are fathers? And pump your fist when you see the crestfallen and despondent looks on their faces once they realize they now will be required to be responsible parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It's not that. I just prefer to watch shows of a considerably more serious nature.
At any rate, I don't know of anyone who would not agree with the necessity of having men step up to the plate and support the children they father, but at the same time it would be desirable in the extreme for women to behave responsibly and refuse to sleep with any man who is not that woman's husband. That is one of the great purposes of marriage. It is a marvelously simple solution to the problem.
I'll say one thing. Any of those clowns protesting on the steps of SCOTUS are not men to marry . They only want to get into the pants of women without any responsibility or consequences .
Ah, sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's why the guy rapes her; she refuses, is too lacking in muscle power to get the upper hand.Quote:
At any rate, I don't know of anyone who would not agree with the necessity of having men step up to the plate and support the children they father, but at the same time it would be desirable in the extreme for women to behave responsibly and refuse to sleep with any man who is not that woman's husband. That is one of the great purposes of marriage. It is a marvelously simple solution to the problem.
Be sure to tell men about those great purposes of marriage.
Even that is better than Povich. Still, I watch very little in sports.Quote:
Ah, sports.
I do so frequently. You might want to try championing marriage yourself. It is far preferable to having a doctor kill a woman's unborn child.Quote:
Be sure to tell men about those great purposes of marriage.
I do so at every opportunity. But that's not what men -- and yes, women -- want to bother with, to commit to one person. Movies, tv dramas and sitcoms, novels, magazine articles all encourage the joys of life as a single and without the burden of kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I completely agree with that. That's why believers in Jesus need to lift up the banner of righteousness and advance marriage. The, "joys of life as a single and without the burden of kids," is scarcely worth the lives of over 900,000 children a year.
For me, getting married was the best decision I ever made aside from committing my life to Christ. My wife has done a lot for me. She is amazing.
Summer of rage
Abortion rights protesters rally across the U.S. in hundreds of 'Bans Off Our Bodies' marches | CBC News
So they will stage a 'summer of rage ' because some babies get a chance to live.
And then there's this: During the early part of Wednesday's congressional hearing on abortion access, this GOP-summoned witness said: "In places like Washington D.C.," fetuses are "burned to power the light's of the city's homes and streets," claimed Catherine Glenn Foster.
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