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Happy to be of service. About 40% of the deaths in the U.S. have come from people over the age of 78, which just so happens to be the average length of life here. 80% of the deaths are in people 65 or over, so age clearly is a contributing factor. Hope all of us old folks here stay healthy.Quote:
Thank you Jl my point exactly
Wifey and I are deciding on the vaccine. I guess we are going to take it.
Here is the detailed analysis from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - a US government agency.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm
Note that the previous death rate table posted prior to the one above was from the UN and contains the following disclaimer prominently stated at the beginning of that report: NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.
Another example of right-wing distortion and lies - or an honest mistake?
no athos just "facts", facts are updated from time to time. The whole point is; while covid has proven deadly, the incidence of other causes of death have fallen so it all balances out in the end, and the mass hysteria may or may not have been necessary. We have erred on the side of caution but it is time to get back to normal. People die all the time and our best efforts only delay the inevitable. I'm a case in point, three weeks out from a quad bypass, so I'll last a little longer
Yes, and after the facts are UPDATED, the prior facts are no longer accurate! Good Lord, how simple can a concept be? Are you off your meds again?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I took the CDC link. It seemed to be for the U.S. only. Is that correct?
As for the link I provided, it's true that 2020 is a U.N. projection. I haven't been able to locate any genuinely current data for the world, so that's the best available as far as I know. It does support Clete's contention.
I was never on "meds" yes it is a simple concept you don't seem to understand. Any "facts" that don't fit your narrative are propagandaQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
You contended that the Covid death rate hasn't increased at all. Do want it read back to you? "Facts" are what describes reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Being states and locals compile the data any world or general data is irrelevant. States and locals hopefully tailor their mitigation response efforts base on what's occurring within their own jurisdictions not places across the world, except to observe and adopt best practices, and community response and compliance. I would imagine that the more space between humans the slower the spread, and conversely the more dense a population the easier or greater the covid spread will be.
It's small wonder the data looks better after the holiday and get better but the data has always reflected that a greater community response for mitigation is a good policy. If half comply and half don't then we can't expect a more perfect outcome. Pretty predictable stuff actually. We are divided as to the health priority, or the economic one as we are now on who gets vaccinated and who waits for more. Demand is higher than supply, and understandable we are all anxious for normal again, which realistically ain't going to happen for a few more months given current circumstance.
The fact is, the best data we have shows that the world wide death rate scarcely increased at all, so unless there is some more reliable data to contradict that, Clete's contention would seem to be correct.
The "best" data is incomplete.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The UN info contains the following disclaimer prominently displayed at the beginning of that report: NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.
The CDC report has the FACTS for the US showing a substantial increase.
So how is that different from what has already been said? Your data is for America only. The data I posted is the best available for the world unless you have a better source. It plainly supports what Clete said. But if you have better data, then I’d love to see it.
Yahoo news and MSN have current data. Broken down by state county and country and updated constantly. We lead the world or close to it so what's the real point folks?
IT'S-NOT-COMPLETE.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.
Good grief.
some people do get angry when confronted with facts
Only when facts are ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So very true. The real problem with the world-wide data is that it didn't fit his narrative. It still remains the best data available. If it changes in the future, then I will change my views. That's good advice for some others on this board.Quote:
some people do get angry when confronted with facts
enough with the advice already just stick to the facts, new fact out of China, covid didn't originate in a lab but from some unidentified animal, seems like the WHO is drinking the koolaid
and you wonder why Trump took the US out of WHO .Quote:
new fact out of China, covid didn't originate in a lab but from some unidentified animal, seems like the WHO is drinking the koolaid
And stripped it of a crucial guiding force for the sake of running his own facts and agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
No Trump left anything he didn't likeQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Clete is right about WHO . They have repeatedly lied about covid 19 . Jan 2020 Taiwan warned WHO about human transmission of covid and yet WHO persisted in going with the Chi-com narrative that it was not transmitted person to person. They went along with the lie that it originated in a meat market . Now at China's beckoning they are advancing this narrative that it was derived naturally in the wild instead of the Wuhan lab. For WHO to say it is 'highly unlikely ' that it originated in the lab instead of saying it is most likely the source tells you have much the organization is merely a political tool of Beijing .
Isn't that often the case when a major player walks from the table? Whomever is left controls the narrative. Don't blame China for filling the vacuum we left. Take it as a cautionary warning of not being willing to stay engaged.
Tal It isn't about you, the WHO backed the China narrative before Trump pulled out
Never made it about me or even US, but if you think the WHO and China was lying it would seem exposing the truth would be better than cutting and running.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Communist societies are into narrative not truth, and orientals save face. China and the CCP lost face because the epidemic started in China. maybe it started in a lab, maybe in an unhygenic wet market, and maybe as they say from an unknown species. The damage is done and the WHO have had the wool pulled over their eyes but after a year what could you expect? Covid apparently spreads in many waysQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Trump was right to pull the US and our funding out of that joke organization masquerading as a legitimate health watch dog. But that is true of most UN organizations . Before we pulled out WHO was acting as a propaganda organization for the Chi-coms .
So is the dufusQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So does the dufus!Quote:
and orientals save face.
Finally a coherent logic!Quote:
China and the CCP lost face because the epidemic started in China. maybe it started in a lab, maybe in an unhygenic wet market, and maybe as they say from an unknown species.
The dufus pulled the wool over our eyes in America by downplaying and ignoring the danger...yes we have the audio. Can't trust anybody Clete...especially our own dufus!Quote:
The damage is done and the WHO have had the wool pulled over their eyes but after a year what could you expect? Covid apparently spreads in many ways
Still areQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Noone said you can trust any politician and certainly not a load mouth buffoon but many did because what he said had the ring of truthQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
It was much deeper than that since many factors entered in. There was, for instance, the fact that the dems ran the most corrupt pres candidate in decades in HC. There was Trump's promise to decisively end the immigration crisis on our southern border. People believed Trump had a better understanding of how to develop a healthy economy. Perhaps most of all, many people believed, correctly I think, that HC was the candidate of the big money elite, including nearly all of the major media outlets, who were attempting to tell us how to think and what to think. That is still going on except in even greater measure. The pushback against it is only just beginning.Quote:
what he said had the ring of truth
The dufus run for president was perfect timing since no other repub was dominant or popular nor as dynamic for a grassroots voter wanting change from a tired old establishment ideology that they felt ignored them amid an rapidly ever changing social upheaval of this changing world. Despite winning the popular vote, poor HC was the victim of a poor turnout in some key states dems needed most, just as the dufus was a victim of his own making losing the repubs he needed as the dems ramped up their own turnout efforts this last election.
Much has been made of the 74M dufus voters, an angry disappointed lot at this time, but a big mistake to ignore the 80M dem voters that put Biden in the WH with a slim majority in the senate and house. A lot of repubs had to run from the dufus, and stay with their local heroes for that to happen, and that is on the shoulders of the dufus.
Can repubs get their groove back after this election? Or has the dufus destroyed them nationally? Who emerges as the next repub hero, or will the dufus cast a huge shadow over these cowards allowing the loonies to wag the dogs tail to disgrace?
and what did Evita do ?Claimed that the vote was stolen . And the Dems ran with that for 4 years . Tell you what ;you say that Trump stealing the election through Russian collusion was a big fat lie ;then I will say that the 2020 elections was not rigged and stolen. Fair deal in an attempt to move on ?
Pretty sure I can predict how that agreement is going to not work out.
Depends if the repubs latest voter suppression drive doesn't take the news cycle or we get a dufus perp walk on primetime. Never know what the next current event will be. Since finally the last election is over. 2022 can get started.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Pretty sure I can predict how that agreement is going to not work out.
and j takes the pointQuote:
Depends if the repubs latest voter suppression drive doesn't take the news cycle or we get a dufus perp walk on primetime. Never know what the next current event will be. Since finally the last election is over. 2022 can get started.
I can see dufus supporters wanting to move on, maybe gloat a bit. That saves them the embarrassment for explaining his despicable behavior or repub cowardice to hold him accountable. He got off on a technicality that Mitch made sure he made happen. That's okay, well played Slick! Don't party to hard fringers, game ain't over. This is repubs second fumble the way I see it.
I think you know that!
The kangaroo court is over with. Kind of a shame. It needed to go on for months so the dem Congress would not have time to mess the country up.
This is an outrageous lie. HC congratulated Trump soon after the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The 2016 election was when the Russians interfered. A proven fact. Nobody but Trump and the loony right claimed HC and/or the Democrats claimed COLLUSION.Quote:
Tell you what ;you say that Trump stealing the election through Russian collusion was a big fat lie ;then I will say that the 2020 elections was not rigged and stolen.
The 2020 election was the fairest election in history according to Republican Chris Krebs who was in charge of monitoring the election. Trump IMMEDIATELY fired him for telling the truth! Later AG Barr said the same thing, but he resigned before Trump could fire him.
You wouldn't know fair if it hit you right between the eyes.Quote:
Fair deal in an attempt to move on ?
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This is an outrageous lie. HC congratulated Trump soon after the election.
“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”
Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’ (yahoo.com)
"I was the candidate that they basically stole an election from," Clinton said.
Hillary Clinton: "It Makes Me Literally Sick To My Stomach" To Think About Four More Years Of Trump | Video | RealClearPolitics
Hillary Clinton says the 2016 election was ‘stolen’ from her - YouTube
The YouTube quote comes close, not perfectly, but I'll give you that one. My apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The others have her questioning the election in terms other than "stolen", carefully qualified. What we know now how Trump made false claims re 2020, maybe HC was on to something.
I don't know if you can keep using HC's sour grapes at the low dem turnout as an excuse for repubs voter suppression antics and dufus shenanigans and lies any longer. Nor can you ignore the growing loony voter base that has you guys tied in knots defending the most despicable political character since the birchers.
The dufus acquittal didn't protect our constitutional way of life or the rule of law. It just exposes repubs unwillingness to defend them.
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