Look this is the great culling, the planet is fighting back against the most virilent virus, humansQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...fed2a3ee51be76
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Look this is the great culling, the planet is fighting back against the most virilent virus, humansQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...fed2a3ee51be76
what do you define as the new normal? Locking people up in their own homes in perpetuity ? AIDS is a virus that never went away . Treatments were created and risk groups identified . The workplace has already adapted to make it as safe as we can get it . Time for America to get back to work .Quote:
It's here to stay and will mutate, as it has been doing already. Welcome to the new normal.
see above ..Quote:
Now I understand you and the dufus. Let everybody catch a dose and the herd immunity can be achieved. The numbers will be VERY ugly though. I doubt if sacrificing that any people for something that may not happen will be a good outcome, so the pain of that business as usual approach may not go over so well.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-first-thought
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/he...5-123459f0082b
0.4% and I think it is lower by half .
Originally Posted by Athos https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png
What are the effective treatments?
New effective treatments are coming on the market every day .
No, no one has suggested that. Use caution - social distance, masks, hygiene, stay at home when possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That is NOT true! SOME treatments are SOMETIMES effective. The jury is still out - way out - on a universal treatment that works for the great majority.Quote:
New effective treatments are coming on the market every day .
I did not say universal treatment . That may never be achieved . What I would like to see is a greater emphasis in the country on prevention . Besides the guidelines you brought up (which are already in place for those who would pay attention to them),there should also be more education on how people can build up their immune systems .
Ok, quibble - how about just treatment for most people, majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nobody would disagree with that.Quote:
What I would like to see is a greater emphasis in the country on prevention . Besides the guidelines you brought up (which are already in place for those who would pay attention to them),there should also be more education on how people can build up their immune systems .
I will allow that your data links are from the end of May, so any updates would be appreciated since there is a huge spike in June and July.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There is no new normal yet Tom, just a mad scramble to keep up. We learn more every week, but a long way from even say w know enough. You may as well start giving kindergarteners a PHD for getting potty trained.
Yes let us have another game of quibble, gooody, you serveQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Prevention means ceasing spreader activity such as all unnecessary human activity, and focusing on the essentials like NY did, and is still doing, and having a great testing infrastructure while we do all that other stuff you mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Now you've got it
Does me no good, unless the rest of us here get it too.
for that you need leadership, but not a leader in sight
There is an election in sight though...WHEW!
a forelorn hope with no leader in sight
Anybody will be an improvement even Bozo the clown, over the dufus but regardless we'll manage. That pisses you off doesn't it?
And I suspect Biden's choice of running mate will be supremely important in his being elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No I wish you well in the endeavour to find a new leader or even any leader but let's face it the choice is between two old men. Doubt there is much gas left in the tank
I tend to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Never sell an old coot short.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I'm an old coot and I know what it feels likeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Everybody is destined to be an old coot someday, if they live long enough. Wish I had been more respectful of my elders when I was younger. Now it's my turn I guess to be dissed by the youngsters, many with no clue. Oh well!
indeed . Unlike him ,his running mate will have to have a pulse .Quote:
And I suspect Biden's choice of running mate will be supremely important in his being elected.
And yet counties that opened up here are "spiking " and il duce is threatening more draconian action. I need to do my research . I think many of these measures are illegal or unconstitutional.Quote:
Prevention means ceasing spreader activity such as all unnecessary human activity, and focusing on the essentials like NY did, and is still doing, and having a great testing infrastructure while we do all that other stuff you mentioned.
Facing reality . All these measures are the equivalent of the prevent defense . The slowing of the rate of infection won't change the fact that the virus is going to run it's course until humans achieve herd immunity .
At least Biden has a heart and a brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There is evidence of that?
Yes. After all, would you really rather have Trump's brain running your country?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
IF herd immunity can be achieved and for how long. I started my theory of the virus with it will get everybody eventually, but obviously you don't want everybody, or even a great number sick at the same time do we? We can barely handle a small percentage sick right now. We can't get a reliable quick test now, making quarantine and isolation, and contact tracing useless, and a function just for hospitals.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hoping for the best is natural, but planning for the worst was essential. Ignoring the NY example was plain stupid, and even you NY'ers aren't out of the woods. We ignored the lessons and learned nothing? Oh well hope we have enough refrigerator trucks for the dead. 1% of the population if were lucky.
The NY lesson is we are no better off than the Swedes . If by NY example you mean making sure the most vulnerable are exposed then no thanks .
I've conceded mistakes have been made, but we are early into the learning curve here Tom, and obviously we are a long way from figuring it out. I just don't get conservatives/repubs ignore it, and business as usual stance.
Guess you will figure out who to fleece to pay the tab later .
Lets see, repubs screw things up, and dems come along and unscrew things up. You need more than that? The real question has been when will repubs pick up the tab they make?
It's not my country inflicted by the colosall EGO that is Trump, but at least he has a brain even though it is little used, he can put two words togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
No, he can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The dufus can actually put words together quite well, as long as they are nasty but also senseless.
That is just babbling
Like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
“We secured nearly $1.2 billion to expand rural broadband, which you need very badly. You need very badly,” said Trump. “They have not treated the Midwest well with broadband, with anything having to do with the word computer. I look at some of those tractors and they don’t even hook up. They’re all set. But you don’t have the capability in terms of your infrastructure—” [a Fox anchor broke in to interrupt him].
Or this?
"He plagiarized from me," Trump told a reporter today on his way to Miami, Florida, referring to Joe Biden's economic plan. And then, "It's very radical left, but he said the right things, because he is copying what I've done."
exactly
posted by the person who applauds il duce Cuomo and his dictates of the week .
This week to patronize a bar we have to buy some food and sit down . So an enterprising bar posted their new menu for the bar area .
https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...83&oe=5F375990
Let me know how a bunch of drunks crowded around a bar works for fighting this spread of the virus.
Maybe they believe alcohol is an antiviral
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...virus/12470476
Drunks do stupid stuff without or without a virus threat.
Some businesses out of necessity to survive have been forced to create an underground economy. Many will just fold under the draconian and unfair top down decisions .As an example , Gavin Newsome ,who owns wineries in Napa Valley has allowed them to operate. But the wineries in the San Juaquin Valley are not permitted to do so. Some businesses have gone so far as to use prohibition style methods ;peep holes ,special knocks or pass codes to trusted customers. Many service businesses like hair dressers ,nail salons ,massage ,tattoo parlors have resorted to a cash transactions only to bipass the mini-dicator's arbitrary decisions about which businesses may open or not.
yeah and so do Walmart and Costco customers . But those businesses have been deemed essential . In California they closed the bars but left the pot dispensaries open .Quote:
Drunks do stupid stuff
They give drugs and booze to the homeless addicts along with free hotel rooms . They call the hotel rooms temporary shelter . But the truth is that they plan on converting these hotels into permanent shelters ,and they plan on using Federal money to pay for it .
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