When have I referred to "unacceptable people"?Quote:
"unacceptable people" (according to you)
We were talking about welfare. You bring up roads, bridges, schools, etc. Hmm.
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When have I referred to "unacceptable people"?Quote:
"unacceptable people" (according to you)
We were talking about welfare. You bring up roads, bridges, schools, etc. Hmm.
All are supported by tax dollars. Or don't you pay taxes? And people you disapprove of ("unacceptable people") use all those tax-supported entities -- including welfare.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I couldn't find a public school where Muslims can practice their faith and Christians could not. Google has failed me please help.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And rather poorly so I felt the need to correct with the facts.Quote:
It was your idea. I was just responding to it. Remember???
Hopeful thinking. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/d...t-off-welfare/Quote:
Wishful thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare
US History
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Until early in the year of 1965, the news media was conveying only whites as living in poverty however that perception had changed to blacks.[44] Some of the influences in this shift could have been the civil rights movement and urban riots from the mid 60s. Welfare had then shifted from being a White issue to a Black issue and during this time frame the war on poverty had already begun.[44] Subsequently, news media portrayed stereotypes of Blacks as lazy, undeserving and welfare queens. These shifts in media don't necessarily establish the population living in poverty decreasing.[44]
Please name one. I'll call the principal and verify.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Originally Posted by Athos
She may not have given much it does nothing to illustrate the point I was making, she gave to God and out of his abundance (surplus) she would have received. Jesus said the poor are always with us, and undoubtedly his expectation is that God would meet their needs when they rely on him. Reliance on government is not reliance on God, but the socialist agenda is to have everyone rely on government and thus it is a Godless agenda. God doesn't ask Ceasar to tax the populace so as to meet their needs, no he says give to God because in the Jewish system the tythe was to meet charitable needs
I've never referred to "unacceptable people". Your use of quotation marks is AGAIN dishonest. The whole reference is dishonest. Haven't you learned yet?Quote:
And people you disapprove of ("unacceptable people") use all those tax-supported entities -- including welfare.
Here are schools that have installed prayer rooms for Muslim students. Now you can list the schools that have installed prayer rooms for Christian students. Good luck.
https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures.../25/id/634403/
https://www.rt.com/usa/muslim-prayer-us-schools-060/
https://rense.com/general17/NYCoksprayer.htm
You've forgotten the use of quote marks for paraphrasing. Alzheimer's setting in?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That wasn't the assignment.Quote:
Here are schools that have installed prayer rooms for Muslim students. Now you can list the schools that have installed prayer rooms for Christian students. Good luck.
Yep. The infamous "Chicago Paraphrase".
You ever remember why you "disagree" with abortion?
I saw nowhere that rooms were installed for Muslims in your hand full of examples, nor prohibited Christians of the same opportunities as the Muslims had in those schools. Establishing space for Muslims and early dismissals is pretty reasonable accommodations.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
From your link
My question was "I couldn't find a public school where Muslims can practice their faith and Christians could not.". It appears while Muslims were accommodated, Christians were not prohibited, so correct me if I'm wrong, but public schools seem to allow school prayers of both religions, which seems fair to me, and contradicts the conservative lament of not allowing prayers in school.Quote:
So to satisfy all sides, the school rescheduled its lunch period in order to meet the requirements for Muslim prayer and to allow students of any faith to prayer if they choose, according to The Christian Science Monitor.
Now posting religious stuff may be a different matter, and there are many against such things in school no matter the religion.
One more pic. This woman visited a stranger in a nursing home, a 112 year old woman who had not had a visitor in three years. It is kindness at work. I feel safe in saying it is what Jesus would have done. https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/w...bRU9B__700.jpg
I have no argument with your interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If anyone here made that claim, I missed it. I agree God and government are not the same.Quote:
Reliance on government is not reliance on God
I don't know what you mean by "socialist agenda". Are you referring to the US where we have a capitalist/socialist system? I don't see it as Godless. Could you explain why you think so?Quote:
the socialist agenda is to have everyone rely on government and thus it is a Godless agenda.
The only reference to Caesar was Jesus remark to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". That seems to be an approval of giving to Caesar. If you interpret it differently, I'll be glad to read what you think.Quote:
God doesn't ask Ceasar to tax the populace so as to meet their needs
Just my opinion, but I see this as a clear mandate to help the less fortunate. Again, be happy to read your take if you see it otherwise.Quote:
he says give to God because in the Jewish system the tythe was to meet charitable needs
This is how the dufus deals with police brutality.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...=f&x=686&y=417
Tal, Trump doesn't deal with police brutality, he appears to be in favour of it
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...d58b77a4b04c35
He does seem to favor brutalizing everybody press, protesters, citizens. We seem to have the same link, which makes his conspiracy theory outrageous.
Hard to believe, but Trump is tweeting that the 75-year-old man in the picture above is a member of antifa and that the incident was a "set-up"!
“75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”
The victim has just been released from an ICU unit after several days. Trump has been known to promote baseless conspiracy theories. The most famous being the "birther conspiracy".
Exactly correct, tal! A public grade or high school will arrange to give a space for private prayer(s) for a religious group or even one or two individuals. Public libraries have done this too. In fact, one of the public libraries I worked at had hired a young Muslim woman who had been born in Afghanistan. She needed a private space for prayers at Zuhr (just after noontime) and at 'Asr (late afternoon), so the director set up specific times with her to use our staff lounge for prayers. The rest of the staff happily agreed to this and printed up a sign to post on the door to remind us that the room was in use and we weren't to enter.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That led the staff into animated lunchtime discussions about Muslim and Christian beliefs (and later, Hindu beliefs after Shachi was hired). But no one was allowed to proselytize.
I showed where this has been done for Muslims, even allowing them to exit classes and go to a purpose built prayer room. Now if you can show me any place where anything like that is being done for Christians, then you have a point. Otherwise, you don't.
Can't proselytize? Why not? That, thankfully, is not prohibited when done by students to students, or staff to staff. Can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.
Then, instead of calling those quote marks paraphrasing, let's call them tongue-in-cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
A bit inaccurate with "purpose built", and I doubt they spent money for it, just gave them a space like has been done for Christians for decades going back to my school days. Why you think it unfair is beyond me except maybe you feel they should be given nothing as non Christians and you think YOUR religion hasn't gotten enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
From my view your homework is a bust and it's you that has NOTHING!
From https://www.adl.org/education/resour...schools/prayerQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
May students pray [in public schools]?
Students have the right to engage in voluntary individual prayer that is not coercive and does not substantially disrupt the school's educational mission and activities. For example, all students have the right to say a blessing before eating a meal. However, school officials must not promote or encourage a student's personal prayer. Students may engage with other students in religious activity during non-curricular periods as long as the activity is not coercive or disruptive. In addition, while students may speak about religious topics with their peers, school officials should intercede if such discussions become religious harassment. It is essential that private religious activity not materially disrupt the school's educational mission and activities. Personal religious activity may not interfere with the rights or well-being of other students, and the threat of student harassment and pressure must be carefully monitored. It is also critical to ensure that the religious activity is actually student-initiated, and that no school employee supervises or participates in the activity. Any school promotion or endorsement of a student's private religious activity is unconstitutional.
See above about proselytizing.Quote:
Can't proselytize? Why not? That, thankfully, is not prohibited when done by students to students, or staff to staff. Can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.
I read your passage. How does that differ from what has already been said?
Still don't know why staff members cannot proselytize.
Still don't know why you "disagree" with abortion.
Thank goodness you have finally realized that you cannot represent a paraphrase as a quote.
Still don't know where you have found any statement by me that would even come close to suggesting that I don't approve of "unacceptable people". Sure looks like a dishonest attempt by you to smear. Shame.
Tal, that's a fair point about the rooms being purpose built. It does seem not to be the case. Still, find where Christians are given space during the school day and you might have a point. Did you read this? "Muslims were allowed "prayer accommodations" in 2013 in the public schools of Dearborn, Michigan. The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations had negotiated an arrangement with school officials in Dearborn, a suburb of Detroit.
The Dearborn school board implemented a policy that allowed a place for student prayers in all public schools and also permission to leave early on Friday for scheduled prayers."
Kind of funny that this has been done for Moslem students but not Christians.
Specifically what has been done for Muslims and not for Christians? Just trying to understand your beef here and what you think you're missing. Even you're link to a handful of school district says nothing about not accommodating Christians school prayers, as well as all you seek it. he Muslim faith specifically require prayers 5 times a day so I can see certain things as reasonable.
Some people want no religious accommodations for ANY religion so I fail to see what Christians are missing out on or discriminated against.
Moslems get to get out of class to pray. Check and see if that's done for Christians. But it's not really a beef. Just more of an observation. Student prayer groups should be encouraged.
Not by teachers but I would imagine such groups are accommodated by the schools if they ask. Back in my day (our day) some groups were given excused absences or early go homes, for religious views. It was no big deal.
Christians could too. Or they can bow their heads in silent prayer. Public schools do not encourage prayer groups to be held for any religious group; it would be allowed only as a request from an individual or that group (and it would be done in a private area).Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Back in the early '50s, my elementary public school in western NC allowed the Southern Baptists to spend time with students, teaching us Bible stories and having Bible verse memorizing contests (first prize was a Bible). My father refused to allow me to participate. And I wasn't alone in sitting out those sessions.
They televised George Floyds' funeral today. Hope it brings some comfort to the family friends and those that cared, and some needed changes to prevent these kinds of senseless tragedies.
I don't think so, not today. Find a situation where a prayer room has been set aside for Christian kids and I'll accept your point.Quote:
Christians could too.
I hope the funerals for the other 150 black Americans buried this week will bring about some changes as well. Maybe someone will found a group that says their lives matter.
Of course, they would be! And have been. Will report specifics soon. Btw, "prayer rooms, as is any religious or secular meeting," are scheduled, by appointment, not limited to Muslim use.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
OK. Just remember that the challenge is to find a school that let's Christians kids out of class early to go a special room set aside for them to pray in.Quote:
Will report specifics soon.
Christian kids know they don't have to leave class to go into a special room to pray! Fixed prayer times are not part of Christianity as they are in Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It only matters to you so YOU find it. Must be the teacher in you that loves to hand out homework assignments.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
There already is such a group. It's called family and friends. Why do you continue to just single out black Americans?Quote:
I hope the funerals for the other 150 black Americans buried this week will bring about some changes as well. Maybe someone will found a group that says their lives matter.
Good thing since they are not allowed to do so.Quote:
Christian kids know they don't have to leave class to go into a special room to pray! Fixed prayer times are not part of Christianity as they are in Islam.
Why would I look for what does not exist?Quote:
It only matters to you so YOU find it. Must be the teacher in you that loves to hand out homework assignments.
Why do you?Quote:
There already is such a group. It's called family and friends. Why do you continue to just single out black Americans?
Of course they would be!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I called several area school district offices this afternoon, but all were closed -- summer break? COVID-19? Will try again in the morning.
Do that. Ask if Christian kids can leave class early to go to a designated prayer room.
Just got to find something to illuminate a difference, and make a bigger deal out of it than it warrants, so you come off like being cheated, slighted, or some kind of victim! None of those things is even close nor life changing and you have even acknowledge that already, yet you continue to send us down these rabbit holes to placate this petulance.
Do you also count the pepperoni on pizza to make sure you get your fair share? This whole thread is about a bigger picture that somehow you can never see, nor want to, as you must always express the narrow view that only you have the right answer in every discussion. Get real because so far you have not!
I'm guessing the "designated prayer room" is an empty classroom (so the location of it changes), a large cloakroom or closet, or a storeroom. The Muslim students would need the "designated prayer room" probably just once during the school day, in the early afternoon, for Zuhr (or Dhuhr).Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Kind of like BLM?Quote:
Just got to find something to illuminate a difference, and make a bigger deal out of it than it warrants, so you come off like being cheated, slighted, or some kind of victim!
OK. What is the big picture in your view? I've already told you that the prayer room deal is not a big issue to me. The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.Quote:
This whole thread is about a bigger picture that somehow you can never see, nor want to, as you must always express the narrow view that only you have the right answer in every discussion. Get real because so far you have not!
I would never have guessed...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The young peoples civil rights movement of THIS generation?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Only because you dismiss the police brutality that delivers no justice to it's victims and is swept under the rug while the brothers populate the prisons on small ticky tacky charges, often because they can't make bail. I can see good cops getting a raw deal being thrown in with the bad corrupt ones, but hell man, we can't even get the bad ones out.Quote:
OK. What is the big picture in your view? I've already told you that the prayer room deal is not a big issue to me. The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.
Even now you equate peaceful protests to injustice corruption, with RIOTS? No sir! You won't dismiss the daytimers, because the freaks come out at night! That's the big picture!
Your mind is made up, I guess mine is too! Let's meet in the middle and get the bad cops and do a better job of getting the criminals.
Bingo!!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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