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You see, you're trying way too hard. I did no subtraction. In fact, I did no math at all. The key is the person has to actually make a nonsensical statement. You have to wait for that.Quote:
You have trouble with subtraction?
Your response seems to be that since he is "much, much older", then he is much, much dumber. I think you're digging your hole even deeper.Quote:
You questioned my speaking of Trump's being "much, much older."
Whatever happened to Vac? He just sort of disappeared.
Ah! You skipped the math part and went right to the word interpretation part! "Now I see," said the blind man....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The process of getting much, much older hasn't been kind to him in all sorts of ways.Quote:
Your response seems to be that since he is "much, much older", then he is much, much dumber. I think you're digging your hole even deeper.
I suspect the worst but pray for the best. ADDED: I did a fsirly quick search. The last posts he made were at the end of January 2020.Quote:
Whatever happened to Vac? He just sort of disappeared.
There was no math part. There was no mention of math. You are right on the precipice!!Quote:
Ah! You skipped the math part and went right to the word interpretation part! "Now I see," said the blind man....
Has it been to anyone? Still, I understand the man works 15 hour days. Not too shabby.Quote:
The process of getting much, much older hasn't been kind to him in all sorts of ways.
30-40 years ago. Born 1946. Now much, much older.Quote:
There was no math part. There was no mention of math. You are right on the precipice!!
He works fifteen-hour days? Surely you jest. The word is that he watches tv all day when he's not golfing. With covid-10, wonder how often he's allowed to travel to Bedminster?Quote:
Has it been to anyone? Still, I understand the man works 15 hour days. Not too shabby.
I'm much, much older but still in Mensa. And on the grammar/spelling/punctuation police force.
And now you are over the precipice. I never questioned your math. There was, in fact, no math to question. "30-40 years ago. Born 1946," is data but not math. I did question your motive for saying he was, "much, much older". You have now earned putdown #2, but I will try to be understanding and not issue it.Quote:
30-40 years ago. Born 1946. Now much, much older.
If you can convince one other person that Trump, "watches tv all day when he's not golfing," then two people on the earth will believe it.Quote:
He works fifteen-hour days? Surely you jest. The word is that he watches tv all day when he's not golfing. With covid-10, wonder how often he's allowed to travel to Bedminster?
I was giving you help to figure out that he truly is much, much older.Quote:
And now you are over the precipice. I never questioned your math. There was, in fact, no math to question. "30-40 years ago. Born 1946," is data but not math. I did question your motive for saying he was, "much, much older". You have now earned putdown #2, but I will try to be understanding and not issue it.
Direct quotes from his WH caretakers, oops, staff.Quote:
If you can convince one other person that Trump, "watches tv all day when he's not golfing," then two people on the earth will believe it.
Athos and tal might want to weigh in with what they've heard and read. If he was a hardworking businessman in his younger years, he certainly is no longer that!
Keep on digging. There was NO MATH.Quote:
I was giving you help to figure out that he truly is much, much older.
I want to see those quotes that he, "watches tv all day when he's not golfing." I know that's not true since I've seen him do press conferences DURING THE DAY. Perhaps you are engaging in hyperbole?Quote:
Direct quotes from his WH caretakers, oops, staff.
You should follow his tweets, He is an instigator not a healer, leader, or even a good human. NEVER has been...except to similar birds of his feather. You aren't even curious where the money to banks to help small businesswent went JL. You weren't curious about the bigest lie the dufus has told and keeps repeating about China taririffs going to farmers. Not just you though, but repubs too, but repubs KNEW he was LYING and said nothing. They KNOW the small biz SBA loans was scarfed up by big biz and dufus cronies already, yet said nothing.
Tom knows it too, yet conservatives would rather open the economy back up during rising infection numbers and deaths and send the workers back to be infected. I guess though until workers get tired of being screwed and bearing the brunt of every economic downturn then it's okay for thedufus, and the banks to do what they do. You may as well bring back the whips and chains and call it what it is...modern day slavery.
If we don't work, then we have no economy. If we have no economy, then who pays the bills? In that case even your treasured model of charity where you force people other than yourself to support the poor won't work.
Have you always been such a drama queen? Good grief. Do you think the Martians are coming as well?Quote:
You may as well bring back the whips and chains and call it what it is...modern day slavery.
The goony goo-goo conservatives have always been here and talking crazy. Didn't say a peep when you issued those deficit funded tax cuts to the rich in perpetuity, but giving sick leave to ordinary folks during a pandemic is unthinkable?
Infections are rising, people are dying, and all you got is whose paying for it? You still got life and BS all mixed up, but I'm the drama queen?
Yes, you are. Glad we agree on something.Quote:
I'm the drama queen
Being a liberal, I figured you wouldn't care. You're the same guy who confessed he didn't care about loading debt onto the shoulders of his grandchildren. Sick.Quote:
all you got is whose paying for it?
don't worry hyper inflation will take care of it
Just stating facts makes me a drama queen? Well which stated facts are those?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Go back a find where I offered my opinions about dealing with the debt in a responsible manner, but current conditions require safety first well before business as usual. The flaw in your debt logic is we will shoulder it, then our kids, before the grandkids can shoulder it, but current events makes it all our responsibilities NOW.Quote:
Being a liberal, I figured you wouldn't care. You're the same guy who confessed he didn't care about loading debt onto the shoulders of his grandchildren. Sick.
Just so you know half my grand kids are grown and on their own and dealing with the reality of NOW. That's how they were raised, like their parents were too. Despite your reservation though this has been a growing issue for decades and the hypocrisy is all of a sudden AFTER rich guys got theirs off the credit card, it's an issue when ordinary people need theirs too in this current crisis.
The SBA funding was jacked by rich guys the banks favored over the small businesses and when we get the list you will see that ordinary folks got screwed again.
https://abc7ny.com/shake-shack-coron...es-in/6116662/
The company statement says it all.
...Shake Shack, like all restaurant businesses in America, is doing the best we can to navigate these challenging times. We don't know what the future holds. Our people would benefit from a $10 million PPP loan but we're fortunate to now have access to capital that others do not. Until every restaurant that needs it has had the same opportunity to receive assistance, we're returning ours.
This statement got you the DQ (Drama Queen) Whopper award. "You may as well bring back the whips and chains and call it what it is...modern day slavery." If you open your eyes and look, the demonstrations occurring around the country are protesting the CLOSING of the economy, not the opening of it.
If you ever have any real proof of that, then I'll join you in being critical of the legislation passed by Pelosi and the dems in Congress that allowed it.Quote:
The SBA funding was jacked by rich guys the banks favored over the small businesses and when we get the list you will see that ordinary folks got screwed again.
You really have no clue about what goes on in your own country. The protesters and slave masters want it open now, whether it's safe or not. I noticed you didn't comment on that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
If you ever have any real proof of that, then I'll join you in being critical of the legislation passed by Pelosi and the dems in Congress that allowed it.[/QUOTE]
Nancy can't pass legislation into law without repubs and the president duh. Minuchin gave the loot to the big banks, and the big banks gave it to their big rich cronies..I mean customers. We know of two national restaurant chains so far, but the rest of list will be revealed.
There are no slave masters in this country, so I found no reason to reply to that.
Interesting how when dems pass lousy legislation, even that is Trump's fault in your view. Just another symptom of your TDS.
The House can only initiate. The senate passes it -- or not. If the Senate passes it, the president signs it into law.Quote:
Interesting how when dems pass lousy legislation, even that is Trump's fault in your view. Just another symptom of your TDS.
The House actually writes it. So Pelosi and the dems wrote the bill. Now if you want to suggest that Trump and the repub Senate share some blame, if there is indeed blame to begin with, then that's fine, but this, "It's all Trump's fault," mantra becomes old and weary after a while.
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Tom knows it too, yet conservatives would rather open the economy back up during rising infection numbers and deaths and send the workers back to be infected
. You see those empty shelves in the grocery store ? Who do you suppose stocks them ? You see the meat ? How do you think it gets there ? You see the trucks bringing the food across the land ?Yes someone is working in the factories to fill those trucks ,and there are truck drivers who bring the goods . God help your liberal states like NY if truckers were too afraid to cross the Hudson River Bridges to deliver the goods .
The President set guidlines for the opening of the economy and handed them to the Governors for implementation. Some low impacted states plan on opening May 1 . Others where the impact has been greater will wait. It is the goveror's call as it should be .
The protests are about people who want their rights back .... rights that have been snatched in just a few weeks time. You want to know who is a threat ? How about that dystopian 1984 despot running NYC . Sandinista Bill . He is urging Neighbors to spy on Neighbors ,take pictures and text them to his goon squad so they can nail residentsfor violations of social distancing protocols.(text it to 311-692.) In Orwell's 1984 everyone was a snitch .Governments dumping tons of sand into the skate parks to keep them from being used. Cops patrolling streets with bullhorns to warn people to stay away from each other. Government threatening to turn off the power to your business if you do not close like you’re told. Laws im Michiganthat you may not drive from your house, in your car, to another property you own.You may not go to drive-in church services, again even if you never leave your car. You may not go fishing. You may not assemble together in any way(a clear 1st amendment violation) . You will be forcefully pulled off a bus without a face mask. You will be fined in San Diego $1,000 for sitting in your car watching the sun set . We are being intered in our homes the way Japanese Americans were in WWII .Protests being organized on Facebook are being removed at the direction of the governement .(Zuckerberg just shut the movement down on Facebook at the request of the governors.) State and local parks are shut down denying us the receration that our tax dollar pays for .
So yeah if the President takes the side of liberty then I am on his side .
Trump could have NOT signed it. Thus, the blame lies on him.Quote:
"It's all Trumps's fault"
Tom, are you aware that a virus is all over the globe making people sick and many dying? And that the USA is the most affected country?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And that Trump did nothing for 70 days when measures could have been taken to save lives?
I don't think those rights extend to people killing other people through their criminal behavior. Behavior that is known world-wide to contribute to the virus spreading.
Trump knows nothing about liberty. His interest in opening is the stock market, and his chances for re-election. Could you have imagined anything more bizarre than Trump's delaying life-saving payments to Americans so he could get his name on the checks? Of course, he denied that but who in the world would have thought of something like that other than Trump?
It is time to drop your ideology, Tom, and replace it with common sense. You can always go back when this is all over.
I have no problem with the bill itself, but the execution and implementation, is incompetent. The same argument for voter ID laws Tom I made years ago. The same argument I made with immigration policy, fiscal responsibility and a number of other subjects. Implementation and execution by repubs is lousy, incompetent, cruel and inhumane period, even when it's a good idea. You can complain about your states folks, I certainly complain about mine, but at this time the dufus passing the buck, scarfing the credit, and as always tooting his own horn and making other toot it as well is dispicable.
As to the bill, rest assured a lot more will be revealed and in the coming weaks we;ll see now won't we. Go ahead support the profits as the people suffer, and relief of the suffering should be the priority rather than seeking relief through the profit. For sure this virus crisis has exposed us to being greedy selfish b@stards thinking capitalism and trickle down is the way to go, and even conservatives see that folly but still some will push it anyway.
Either way 4 million tests of the needed hundreds of millions ain't cutting it. Whatever the costs to get there we just better bear it and get where we need to be and flying blind is no way to make America great again. YUP, I drank the kool aid, as we ain't so great right now as the fear of losing money and power has gripped us.
Thank you dufus for us needing to make America great again but I doubt that happens on your watch.
I think they have a shot now you can take for TDS. I feel pretty sure they will move you right to the front of the line.Quote:
Trump could have NOT signed it. Thus, the blame lies on him.
You've read the bill? If you have not, and I feel pretty safe in guessing you have not, then how would you know you have no problems with it?Quote:
I have no problem with the bill itself
Yeah. Thank goodness Pelosi, Biden, and the other dems have no interest at all in the election.Quote:
His interest (is)...his chances for re-election
I don't see liberty as an ideology . Liberty isQuote:
It is time to drop your ideology, Tom, and replace it with common sense.
the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.Was it irresponsible for Jacksonville to reopen their beaches ? They have 20 cases a day . When should people get their liberty back ? When there are no cases ? You are silly ,
"Life saving"?Quote:
Trump's delaying life-saving payments
Hows this for "life saving "consequences of imposed isolation ?
https://www.newsweek.com/us-alcohol-...ndemic-1495510
Those ole unintended consequences usually come back to bite you.
Did the feds just send out checks at any time during the Great Depression? They did create jobs programs, but I don't think there were any free checks.
I did my homework, but only read the summary. Then we can DISCUSS.
There you go with that ancient stuff. The depression was not fueled by a health crisis the likes we have never seen. Can't even blame it on the dufus, but we can criticize what he does about it, giving leeway to the fact it's a huge daunting task.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You can't blame Trump for an increase in alcohol consumption, he didn't cause CV, what you have to blame is people. I haven't increased my alcohol consumption because of isolation so someone who does just can't manage their time. A shutdown is a knee jerk reaction which says we cannot rely on people to be responsible, keep their distance and have good sanitationQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You're right, we should just keep doing what we did before and let it run it's course right? Even with things shutdown this virus is growing Clete, but why be broke and sick, right?
The GD was much, much worse than what we are experiencing now. You can't even compare the two. People would work any kind of job they could find. It went on for years.Quote:
There you go with that ancient stuff. The depression was not fueled by a health crisis the likes we have never seen. Can't even blame it on the dufus, but we can criticize what he does about it, giving leeway to the fact it's a huge daunting task.
So the answer is no. Even so, what did you think of the controls they put in place to control SBA loans?Quote:
1.The GD was entirely different, wholly economic. This one will have a virelant disease component. Solve that you solve the economy.
2. The controls appear adequate on there face, and intentions, but only as good as the enforcement put behind them. There are plenty of holes in which to drive a truck through, but capitalizing the big banks wasn't the way to reach the intended small businesses, and another bill to correct that may not be as bi partisan as that one was nor as easy to craft.
I generally just read the summary first as it takes time to study the entire bill. The summary is like a table of contents to find specific data.
I have to remind you the feds were pushing money at this also, but in what ways is unknown. I had read that the regional banks were more the focus of the feds. Not enough facts to really connect those dots in any appreciable way yet.
So the controls are so adequate that there are many holes in which to drive trucks through? Well yes, that makes complete sense.Quote:
The controls appear adequate on there face, and intentions, but only as good as the enforcement put behind them. There are plenty of holes in which to drive a truck through.
It is interesting Tal it is growing there and declining elsewhere it seems about three months sees the worst, so as you say why be sick and broke but dead when after three months you can be back to just being brokeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You left out the part about enforcement, and my reference to the feds efforts, crucial to the overall execution and implementation of the legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Not every place here started at the same time, nor is everyone broke. Do we even know we can count on herd immunity after that 3 months? Nobody knows but many seem willing to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
When an ideology starts killing people, it's time to adjust that ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Key phrase - OPPRESSIVE restrictions by authority, etc. Restrictions designed to save lives during a health crisis are not oppressive. That's why your ideology needs adjustment.Quote:
Liberty is the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views
Absolutely irresponsible. What will you say when those cases increase followed by people dying?Quote:
Was it irresponsible for Jacksonville to reopen their beaches ? They have 20 cases a day
They've never lost it. If you mean when will things return to normal, there will be a new normal when a vaccine is developed.Quote:
When should people get their liberty back ?
And you are foolish.Quote:
You are silly ,
The dufus touts the death rate and opening up states and I'll be darned if repub governors have decided to ease restrictions, and as yet none has sited the data that supports it. At least not publicly, nor have they shown they are prepared for it despite the Phase I guidelines for reopening. Among them the guy in Georgia who two weeks ago didn't know that the virus could be spread by people who look healthy and show no symptoms.
You think he was listening to Dr. Fauci, or the dufus?
Can we face an obvious fact? The virus will go through the population and infect more than half of us eventually . Then pray it doesnt mutate , The restrictions were put in place NOT to save lives . They were put in place so that public health facilities would not be over whelmed . Mission accomplished ,Now we need medicines and vaccines .Testing will only confirm what we know ….that many people have had it and did not show symptoms .This isolation protocol is unsustainable .Are we to keep the economy of the world shut down until vaccines are created ? And what happens if this is like other covid viruses like the common cold where immunity lasts about 3 months ?
Suppressing transmission means that we won’t build up herd immunity The trade off of success is that we are driving the infection rate down to such a low level that we have to keep those isolation measures in place to maintain that success.
I predict you will see an uptick in the death rates when people start going back to work no matter when restrictions are lifted . Still it has to be done . This isolation protocol is unsustainable . It creates it's own public health issues .
https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/suic..._8-19-2019.pdf
No society can safeguard public health for long at the cost of its overall economic health. I know for a fact that private practices are shutting down ;or have not been able to treat patients for weeks . What happens when their patients are unemployed and no longer have coverage ? Many of the practices closing will not reopen. I have encountered that in the last week. I have had some telemed sessions with hospital run services . But I already know we will have to look for other primary care when all is said and done.
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/...s-bill/574694/
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