It's not normal it is just another expression of selfishness and irresponsibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
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It's not normal it is just another expression of selfishness and irresponsibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Boycott! Take a knee when the anthem plays. Refuse to bake a cake for the gay couple. All sorts of ways to make a company serve you against their will.
Wish I could, but I already watch next to no football or network television.Quote:
Boycott!
Completely dumb idea. The U.S. did not make that decision, so what does the Anthem have to do with it?Quote:
Take a knee when the anthem plays.
What???Quote:
Refuse to bake a cake for the gay couple.
Maybe you can come up with one.Quote:
All sorts of ways to make a company serve you against their will.
Your cause, your actions, unless you are a paying customer!
at least they didn't play this PETA monstrosity .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XbC...etvDfk7vrpxRwY
during a SB Party ? so what ? I was resting on my sofa sucking down an adult beverage during the anthem .Others were looking at a stop watch to see if they won their prop bet . Kneeling is a deliberate gesture designed to make an inappropriate point at a sporting event . To have the animals of the forest doing it in an ad designed to elevate the rights of the animals is to ignore what really happens in the wild . Here is what REALLY happens when an eagle sees a rabbit .
https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/eagl...Jc4Aq8DSh3tAEU
Aw geez Tom, we know reality and only some people take kneeling as disrespectful, just the opposite actually, just ask any king. You have to admit though party or not, we do expect more from our leader who blasts others for such disrespect don't you? At the very least shouldn't we treat the dufus and Colin the same way?
Or maybe you give the dufus a free pass because he is above everything right?
So now we're going to conflate the disrespect of kneeling intended towards the flag and country with the respect and honor of kneeling intended towards a king? I don't think that one is going to fly.Quote:
Aw geez Tom, we know reality and only some people take kneeling as disrespectful, just the opposite actually, just ask any king.
As to treating the pres the same way as CK, when Trump takes a knee during the playing of the anthem, then you can just step back and enjoy the dishonor that will be rained heavily upon him by conservatives. However, don't hold your breath waiting on that to happen.
No: Stop -footing around the heart of the subject: This kneeling sh&t is EXTREMELY dishonorable to the nation and the veterans of this nation....in fact, it is a big middle finger given to veterans: The problem is, those that are kneeling couldn't carry the bags of those that have served. The kneeling that goes on is a total disgrace. And then you Hayseed and Bounce not getting up off their arses during the National Anthem Of The United States: They can go straight to hell, as far as I am concerned.
The President is becoming much more Presidential in his three years in office: If you don't like him, that is fine and it is your right not to like him but you still need to show the Office Of The President Of The United States a great degree of respect.
Nothing about the dufus goofing off during the national anthem conservatives?
fair point . I think he has ADHD myself .Quote:
we do expect more from our leader
Yeah, that's a fair enough point, I don't see it as a big hairy deal, but it would certainly have been better if he had been more respectful.Quote:
we do expect more from our leader
And is narcissistic....Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Narcissistic was the word I was searching for, thanks WG. ADHD sounds right, as well as an exaggerated sense of self entitlement, and a lack of empathy for others, among other things that makes him a borderline criminal capable of doing bad things especially if he feels pressed. He could definitely be on meds though, for impulse control, and a muzzle would help tremendously.
Colin Kaepernick’s protest was NEVER about disrespecting the soldiers or disrespecting this great nation. It’s about the lack of respect that people in this country have for people of darker skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Might be true in Chicago, but not down here. Here, a person generally gets the respect he/she has earned. Besides, for CK to be trying to draw attention to that while he, a black man, is earning millions of dollars is about as fake as it can get.Quote:
Colin Kaepernick’s protest was NEVER about disrespecting the soldiers or disrespecting this great nation. It’s about the lack of respect that people in this country have for people of darker skin.
You're welcome, tal. I can suggest even more DSM disorders that fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Wonder if he'll be doing his important-speech snuffling tonight. Just can't be without that Adderall! (Overdose symptoms may include restlessness, tremor, muscle twitches, rapid breathing, confusion....)
actually it was about "police violence" initially . It was later on when his true motive came out that his real motive was to advance his own brand as his NFL career was advancing towards the bench .Quote:
Colin Kaepernick’s protest was NEVER about disrespecting the soldiers or disrespecting this great nation. It’s about the lack of respect that people in this country have for people of darker skin.
If I were him I would be in your face gloating . But I think he will sound very Presidential and the Dems in Congress will look petty and small.Quote:
Wonder if he'll be doing his important-speech snuffling tonight.
You must not be brown or black.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He has NEVER looked or acted presidential! Always high and mighty smirky.Quote:
If I were him I would be in your face gloating . But I think he will sound very Presidential and the Dems in Congress will look petty and small.
Try and tell a white dude about cops stopping black people and could end up dead and watch eyes glaze over. That's what taking a knee was about.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You almost had it right but oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He's done very well by being a rebel without a cause.Quote:
You almost had it right but oh well.
The NFL settled his lawsuit, and even if his success on the field was going down, he was better than most of the back ups I've seen the last few years.
The only team I think he could fit his option read skills with are the Ravens ;and they already have Vick. If he truely wants to be a QB then he should go the the XFL and demonstrate his skills in a competitive environment . His faux workout this year was pathetic . Any weekend semi-pro league QB could've done as well. Nah he knew his playing days were over when the Niners benched him forBlaine Gabbert. Face facts . Chip Kelly decided to put a gimmick offense in for 2016 that caught the league by surprise . By 2017 every defense except maybe the Gnats knew how to beat it . The NFL adjusted to Kap and Kap did not adjust in kind. That is why he was holding the clipboard before he saw his golden opportunity to exploit a cause .
All the usual BLM propaganda.Quote:
Try and tell a white dude about cops stopping black people and could end up dead and watch eyes glaze over. That's what taking a knee was about.
Why am I not surprised at your closed minded response. BLM has always been around by other names and generations, but the same struggle. Your bigotry is but a good example why the struggle continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Bigotry or honesty? That's the question. Too many liberals think that if someone disagrees with their conclusion, then they surely must be bigoted. That is, of course, a form of bigotry itself, so I never pull back because some possibly bigoted person wants to claim I am bigoted. I just try and let the facts fall where they may.
I'm a realist JL, and you should listen and learn about the black experience instead shooting your mouth off about what you feel but don't know. The reality is we are not that color blind society and we are still far from realizing that perfect union. Glean your facts from that perspective and you could learn things you didn't know and not sound like an uninformed bigot.
You know nothing of BLM. That's a FACT! Don't mistake ignorance for honesty. Honesty would be you know nothing about BLM.
Talaniman: Generally speaking, ALL Southern Caucasian men know a LOT MORE about the Black Experience that what they are given credit for...and GENERALLY a whole hell of a lot more than do the Caucasian men of the North.....and that is because we grew up in close proximity to, generally worked with, ate with, often played with, and sometimes fought with Blacks, the same as we did other Whites.....You got to give jlisenbe some credit! He taught school: He can hardly be called a bigot.
JL is around my age. The South I was born in and grew up in had segregated towns and cities, segregated schools, segregated churches, segregated workplaces. I rarely saw a Black person except the women who were mammies and domestics at friends' homes, plus the men who were garbage collectors, gas jockeys, and parking lot attendants -- all low-paying service jobs. I never saw a Black child while shopping or at the park or at a movie theater. Oh, and Blacks were forbidden from swimming in public pools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Must have been bad to live in a place like that, by contrast my nation was not segregated and yet I didn't encounter a black person until well into my teens, they kept to themselves then not like now when they are in your face demanding the place back yet they have contributed littleQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
There's that ole bigotry at work again. I'm a white conservative, so I must not know much about the "black experience". Right. I would agree we are not color blind. I don't think we ever will be, but the big problems afflicting the black community now are largely self inflicted.Quote:
I'm a realist JL, and you should listen and learn about the black experience instead shooting your mouth off about what you feel but don't know. The reality is we are not that color blind society and we are still far from realizing that perfect union. Glean your facts from that perspective and you could learn things you didn't know and not sound like an uninformed bigot.
You know nothing of BLM. That's a FACT! Don't mistake ignorance for honesty. Honesty would be you know nothing about BLM.
Unlike WG, I knew a large number of black people. Never saw a "mammie" or even heard of one. Never saw a "domestic" in the sense of some sort of in-house servant. Two or three KKK folks showed up at a ballgame one time. Most of us thought they were the dumbest looking people we ever saw. Schools integrated when I was in the eleventh grade. It was largely a big nothing of an occasion. We got along well. I've worked in majority white, black, and Choctaw Indian schools as well as in furniture moving and meat packing when I was young. I was surrounded by black employees in both places and we all got along. I have supervised black employees and been supervised by black people. No big deal. People are just people.
Yes jl, they are, until they choose not to be and start sticking racial tags on themselvesQuote:
No big deal. People are just people.
Not every white conservative is like you, JL, I truly wish they were but unfortunately they are NOT, and a small number are pretty mean. Until one knows who he deals with then caution applies. Sorry Clete, but you have obviously never been rudely asked what are you doing here boy enough to know who puts tags on whom.
Now what?
No tal, don't stick my nose in where it isn't wanted, but I doubt you have known a demonrat not to do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I started to say your nose is always wanted Clete, but that may be a bit awkward, but I am always interested in your input.
I understand what you're saying. And to be clear, I am certainly not saying you are bigoted anymore than the rest of us. Most people have some prejudices. Some are justifiable/understandable and some are not. You seem to be more fair than the average guy. I do like the fact that we just let it go with each other. I think our culture needs more of these honest and open kind of exchanges as long as they don't go toxic.Quote:
Not every white conservative is like you, JL, I truly wish they were but unfortunately they are NOT, and a small number are pretty mean. Until one knows who he deals with then caution applies.
So has the US woke from a bad dream, a nightmare, and found the sun shine again
Kind of depends on what side you're on.
either way it is a new day, and the prospect of the demonrats being led by a minorityQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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