Ask Me Help Desk - Whistle blower

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

W.G.: That is not what I said: What I said was that sleeping with/making out/gaining carnal knowledge of you dead brother's wife is not normal behavior and is not right, just sick behavior! All the women in this world and you choose your dead brother's wife: some kind of sick....Athos considers this to be normal.

You didn't read my words carefully.

Btw, a widow had to marry her husband's brother in the OT.

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I didn't say anything about "inbreeding", that was Athos when he told me that I probably thought had no problems with "inbreeding"......now, why would he say such a thing, what reason? He never heard me support such and abomination. I grew up on a farm, I know the dangers of inbreeding: its wrong.....and I don't care that European royal families thought it was just fine.

You used the word "disgusting." What did you mean then?

W.G.: I know what happened in the Bible but you must agree that MARRYING your dead brother's wife and promiscuously sleeping with your dead brother's wife are 180 degrees apart....one is commitment and one is for lust, exclusively. In the Bible, marriage is purposed bounded for reasons of procreation: there just weren't that many people around.

Yes, its my contention that it is DISGUSTING for a man to sleep with his dead brother's wife with the reason being pure lust.....I'm not a puritan but that is pretty twisted behavior.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

W.G.: I know what happened in the Bible but you must agree that MARRYING your dead brother's wife and promiscuously sleeping with your dead brother's wife are 180 degrees apart....one is commitment and one is for lust, exclusively. In the Bible, marriage is purposed bounded for reasons of procreation: there just weren't that many people around.

Yes, its my contention that it is DISGUSTING for a man to sleep with his dead brother's wife with the reason being pure lust.....I'm not a puritan but that is pretty twisted behavior.

Pure lust. You know that was the reason. *cough* They're no longer together, by the way.

W.G.: Yes...any relationship that is based only in lust has no chance for surviving very long.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Athos: What did I say to illicit the smartass comment to me about inbreeding? What the hell makes you think that I think that is O.K.?

I will answer this one and for the rest the viewers can decide re your mental condition.

"What did you say to illicit the (expletive deleted) comment about inbreeding", you asked? And, "what makes you think I (V7) think it's ok", you asked?

I said that and think you consider inbreeding ok based on your posts since you arrived here. Almost all of them are irrational, not focused, and swing wildly from topic to topic rarely giving a coherent reply. These are all marks of inbreeding so I made an assumption re your origins.

Here's an example.

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Athos: Now why would YOU, OF ALL PEOPLE, JUST OUT OF THE CLEAR BLUE, EVOKE THE BIBLE INTO ANY CONVERSATION? For a man that hates Bible references, you certainly are quick to attempt to bring them to bear at your convenience.

You charge me with hating Bible references. That's an excellent example of your hysteria. Anyone who has read my posts knows that is not true. In fact, I support accurate interpretations of the Good Book. When I "bring them to bear", not often, I do so never "at my convenience" but always to add to the discussion.

Hunter Biden's ethics and conduct are irrelevant to the matter before us and that's the whistle blower, and the possibility of at least one more coming forward, and the words and actions of the dufus being an abuse of power, and any illegality of his sycophants doing his bidding.

The dufus governs with fear and smears, aided and abetted by his hand picked yes men that completely ignore the rule of law. Our government has been taken over by a serial, career criminal and we knew that before he was elected.

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Hunter Biden's ethics and conduct are irrelevant to the matter before us

Yes, he's a liberal democrat, so his unethical behavior is irrelevant. For that matter, he could have been responsible for the deaths of four Americans, but that would be irrelevant as well. Unethical behavior only matters when you are a conservative, even if it has to be made up as in the case of Kavanaugh.

No it only matters if you are a lying cheating dufus serving as president. That seems to be irrelevant to you since you always ignore the lawless dufus and aim for the contrived view of facts as your defense for him. He's a bully and you like it, so admit it and move on.

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No it only matters if you are a lying cheating dufus serving as president. That seems to be irrelevant to you since you always ignore the lawless dufus

Not with you. When Obama was the "lying, cheating dufus", you could not have cared less. In fact, to this day, you stare the plain truth in the face and refer to it as a "contrived view of facts". You go talk with the family members of those four dead Americans and come back with that same pathetic story and we'll talk about it.

That's how you and I are different. I am an equal opportunity criticizer, but you only criticize those who are on the other side of the political fence. You have one set of ethics for liberal dems and an entirely different set for conservatives. That's why it's so hard to take your comments seriously.

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Btw, a widow had to marry her husband's brother in the OT.

If I understand this thing correctly, Hunter was dating his brother's widow while he was still married to his estranged wife. So WG, are you saying the Bible is OK with that???

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I said that and think you consider inbreeding ok based on your posts since you arrived here. Almost all of them are irrational, not focused, and swing wildly from topic to topic rarely giving a coherent reply. These are all marks of inbreeding so I made an assumption re your origins.

In other words, Vac7, he has no reason for saying you consider inbreeding to be OK. His statement was ridiculous. It would be nice to simply walk it back and say he should not have said it.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If I understand this thing correctly, Hunter was dating his brother's widow while he was still married to his estranged wife. So WG, are you saying the Bible is OK with that???

Is the bible okay with the dufus cheating on HIS wife multiple times? Is your understanding of Hunter Biden based on FACTS to begin with?

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In other words, Vac7, he has no reason for saying you consider inbreeding to be OK. His statement was ridiculous. It would be nice to simply walk it back and say he should not have said it.

Why don't you lead by example here JL.

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Is the bible okay with the dufus cheating on HIS wife multiple times?

I absolutely would not be OK with that. It is a terrible lack of morals. But if you are going to knock Trump on that, then are you going to do likewise with Bill Clinton and Hunter Biden, or are you going to continue to drive on your one way street?

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Is your understanding of Hunter Biden based on FACTS to begin with?

Yes. He confirmed he was dating his brother's widow prior to his divorce being finalized. Not only that, but his now ex-wife said this. "Former Vice President Joe Biden's daughter-in-law accused husband Hunter Biden — now in a relationship with his late brother's widow — of using drugs and visiting hookers in divorce papers filed last year." Now if we apply your Kavanaugh standard, then he must surely be guilty since, after all, she made the allegation.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.2987101

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Why don't you lead by example here JL.

As I have said before, any time you can show me where I have made a false statement, I will be glad to walk it back.

Athos: There are several reasons that someone could be, as you say, "irrational, not focused, and swing wildly" in discussions other than being INBRED......but instead of labeling me with any of those other possible behavioral reasons, you chome "INBRED": You hurt my feelings: I can assure you that I am not inbred: My Father was from Northern European stock (German) and my Mother from Southern European stock (Spain)….no connections pre-Franco, I can assure you.

Athos: You hurt my feelings with such a vulgar accusation.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

W.G.: Yes...any relationship that is based only in lust has no chance for surviving very long.

You know it was lust....

Their relationship has ended, btw. You must have missed my comment about that yesterday.

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Is the bible okay with the dufus cheating on HIS wife multiple times?

I absolutely would not be OK with that. It is a terrible lack of morals. But if you are going to knock Trump on that, then are you going to do likewise with Bill Clinton and Hunter Biden, or are you going to continue to drive on your one way street?

I don't know about Biden, but BC was a liar and cheater too, and was IMPEACHED for it rather than dismissing it all together like repubs have done, and that's after ignoring and dismissing his scams against old folks and consumers that was already known. Obviously repubs and the right weren't interested in morality when the elected the dufus. Continued support of this moral less liar and cheater is condone that immorality you aren't okay with.

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Is your understanding of Hunter Biden based on FACTS to begin with?

Yes. He confirmed he was dating his brother's widow prior to his divorce being finalized. Not only that, but his now ex-wife said this. "Former Vice President Joe Biden's daughter-in-law accused husband Hunter Biden — now in a relationship with his late brother's widow — of using drugs and visiting hookers in divorce papers filed last year." Now if we apply your Kavanaugh standard, then he must surely be guilty since, after all, she made the allegation.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.2987101

If you can hold your nose at the immoral corrupt dufus, then hold your nose at Biden's son which unlike the dufus isn't running for office.

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Why don't you lead by example here JL.

As I have said before, any time you can show me where I have made a false statement, I will be glad to walk it back.

You support and defend the dufus that you acknowledge has low morals, so I conclude morality was never an issue, and condemning others for immorality, and condoning others immorality is the definition of hypocrisy.

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If you can hold your nose at the immoral corrupt dufus, then hold your nose at Biden's son which unlike the dufus isn't running for office.

But isn't the opposite true as well? If you can hold your nose with the Biden incident, not to mention all that went on with Mr. Obama, then you can also hold your nose with Trump. See how simple it all becomes when you employ some consistency?

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You support and defend the dufus that you acknowledge has low morals, so I conclude morality was never an issue, and condemning others for immorality, and condoning others immorality is the definition of hypocrisy.

Which is, of course, exactly what you do. You condemn Trump and give Obama a free pass. Thanks for stating it so clearly.

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Originally Posted by Vacuum7

Athos: There are several reasons that someone could be, as you say, "irrational, not focused, and swing wildly" in discussions other than being INBRED... You hurt my feelings:

Athos: You hurt my feelings with such a vulgar accusation.

Nothing personal, V7. (How could it be otherwise on an anonymous website). It was an assumption. I assume all Trump supporters are inbred. The political Republicans however are motivated by job security. They know if they follow their better selves condemning Trump, they will lose their livelihood. Money is paramount to Republicans. Far ahead of any principle which they may hold in the lurch.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You condemn Trump and give Obama a free pass.

Equating Obama and Trump is absurd. YOU are absurd. There is not a single saving grace in that monstrosity called Trump.

Obama is a decent family man who was hobbled by your obstinate refusal to treat him like any other president especially after leaving him with the most horrendous economic disaster since the Great Depression.

Obama brought us out of it and it continues to this day with Trump claiming the credit which is clearly not his.

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Equating Obama and Trump is absurd. YOU are absurd. There is not a single saving grace in that monstrosity called Trump.

One of your usual, insulting rants. No facts, but plenty of personnel attack.

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Obama is a decent family man who was hobbled by your obstinate refusal to treat him like any other president especially after leaving him with the most horrendous economic disaster since the Great Depression.

He was a liberal dem, so you like him. He was a great promoter of abortion. He was against gay marriage until, of course, it became political profitable to be in favor of it. He completely failed at Benghazi and then orchestrated a campaign of lying about it. His AG met secretly with BC about HC when she was under investigation and he did nothing about it. He had a scandal in the VA and another in the IRS. He did nothing about those as well. He never had anything more than mediocre economic growth and doubled the national debt. Yeah, he was just your basic great guy.

You liked his policies and I get that, but to suggest that he was a model of ethical behavior is really stretching it.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

He was a liberal dem, so you like him. He was a great promoter of abortion. He was against gay marriage until, of course, it became political profitable to be in favor of it. He completely failed at Benghazi and then orchestrated a campaign of lying about it. His AG met secretly with BC about HC when she was under investigation and he did nothing about it. He had a scandal in the VA and another in the IRS. He did nothing about those as well. He never had anything more than mediocre economic growth and doubled the national debt.

This is nothing more than your typical right-wing spin which you repeat constantly and which is just as constantly rebutted, especially by talinman among others. Your capacity for lying is bottomless and your hatred of Obama and Hillary Clinton flies off the page like a great stink. Facts don't matter to you - only your adoration of the demon in the White House.

Enough rant for you?

Athos: Now that I know you consider me a TRUMP SUPPORTER and you assume all TRUMP SUPPORTERS INBRED, I guess I should feel better.....but there is one big problem: I AM NOT A TRUMP SUPPORTER!!! I am a Libertarian: I am watching all this crap unfold and HOPING that we can get some disillusioned people to come on over to the NON-ALIGNED SIDE!

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This is nothing more than your typical right-wing spin which you repeat constantly and which is just as constantly rebutted, especially by talinman among others. Your capacity for lying is bottomless and your hatred of Obama and Hillary Clinton flies off the page like a great stink. Facts don't matter to you - only your adoration of the demon in the White House.

And more non-data. Just an appeal that someone else sometimes posts rebuttals. It gets very boring, especially considering that those supposed "rebuttals" amount to little more than someone saying, "I love Mr. Obama and he was a great guy."

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And more non-data. Just an appeal that someone else sometimes posts rebuttals. It gets very boring, especially considering that those supposed "rebuttals" amount to little more than someone saying, "I love Mr. Obama and he was a great guy."

Did you miss it? Your someone else was/is talinman - your nemesis.

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Did you miss it? Your someone else was/is talinman - your nemesis.

I like Tal a great deal. He is very candid and says what he believes. Do I see him as my "nemesis"? No. I see him as an advocate for the positions he holds. And so again, those supposed "rebuttals" amount to little more than someone saying, "I love Mr. Obama and he was a great guy."

I can respect your point of view also JL, anyone's for that matter, and disagree for my own reasons. I like you too, even though I think you are dead wrong most times, which I chalk up to misinformed, or under informed, but I can't expect you to be well informed on everything. However the comparisons you make to Obama and the dufus are erroneous to the max.

There is no comparison even if you accept the fact that humans are flawed.

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I like you too, even though I think you are dead wrong most times, which I chalk up to misinformed, or under informed, but I can't expect you to be well informed on everything.

I am always open to being shown where I am misinformed.

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However the comparisons you make to Obama and the dufus are erroneous to the max.

I think that's true. Trump has not lost American diplomatic personnel due to inattention to danger and then tried to cover it all up with orchestrated lying.

There was no cover up just right wing loony lies that were blown out of the water by later OFFICIAL investigations and how easily you dismiss Obama's Monday after Rose Garden address that set the record straight. That's the problem with preliminary reports that fatal week end, nobody had a grasp of the full facts because in truth the entire diplomatic corps across the globe was on full high alert. While four lives were tragically lost in the attack on the consulate you totally dismiss the efforts of the 25 to 30 who were later rescued, who fended off that attack.

Holding a grudge over a terrorist attack is almost as bad as blaming the victims and not the attackers, but of course you aren't interested in facts or truth just your own contrived narrative which I consistently REJECT!

It does serve as an example of you being GROSSLY misinformed. I have plenty more so keep it up!

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I like Tal a great deal. He is very candid and says what he believes. Do I see him as my "nemesis"? No. I see him as an advocate for the positions he holds. And so again, those supposed "rebuttals" amount to little more than someone saying, "I love Mr. Obama and he was a great guy."

It's never been a question of who likes whom. It's about right and wrong.

Every position you've expressed about Obama and/or H Clinton has been a right-wing talking point. Talinman has taken you to task on every one with the facts, yet you continue to spew the falsehoods. The truth is easily available in this world of instant knowledge but you refuse to see it.

When you insist on comparing a proven liar and incompetent like Trump with Obama, you lose any credibility you might have started with. Whether current events or the Bible verse re life after death you are stuck in a morass of your own devices.

The great majority of us who abhor Trump will never understand how the likes of you can continue to support him even after three of the most disastrous years in the American presidency. It's a sad mystery.

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Every position you've expressed about Obama and/or H Clinton has been a right-wing talking point. Talinman has taken you to task on every one with the facts, yet you continue to spew the falsehoods. The truth is easily available in this world of instant knowledge but you refuse to see it.

No facts. No new information. Just a fantasy land appeal to some supposed intervention by someone else. Oh well.

As to supporting Trump, I have repeatedly stated that I do not care for his big mouth and bombastic politics. When you liberal dems come up with someone better than HC, JB, or EW, then you can possibly complain and be taken seriously. In the meantime, I do like the conservative court appointees, the record breaking economy, and the fact that he seems to be able to keep our foreign diplomatic personnel alive.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

No facts. No new information. Just a fantasy land appeal to some supposed intervention by someone else. Oh well.

As to supporting Trump, I have repeatedly stated that I do not care for his big mouth and bombastic politics. When you liberal dems come up with someone better than HC, JB, or EW, then you can possibly complain and be taken seriously. In the meantime, I do like the conservative court appointees, the record breaking economy, and the fact that he seems to be able to keep our foreign diplomatic personnel alive.

While breaking the laws along the way, for which he will be IMPEACHED and the senate will decide what comes of it, and then we the people decide what comes of that.

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While breaking the laws along the way, for which he will be IMPEACHED and the senate will decide what comes of it, and then we the people decide what comes of that.

We'll see how that goes.

Another whistle blower has emerged and some think there may be more. This may take a while.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Another whistle blower has emerged and some think there may be more. This may take a while.

surely you don't think this is a good thing, disloyalty in the government?

You could say it's loyalty to the constitution and rule of law rather than the individual, plus how can you say squelling on possible criminal activities or wrongdoing is disloyalty?

This ain't a monarchy I don't care what the dufus and his minions think.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You could say it's loyalty to the constitution and rule of law rather than the individual, plus how can you say squelling on possible criminal activities or wrongdoing is disloyalty?

This ain't a monarchy I don't care what the dufus and his minions think.

you are saying that the individual has the right to be judge jury and executioner, but who will bring Biden to account? An american vice- president interfering in the affairs of a sovereign nation for his own benefit, well nothing new there, but accountability is necessary

You could at least look up the guy the entire western world wanted out for stealing money from Ukraine and allowing others in on the take too before you jump on the dufus talking points. Or do as JL does and blame Obama since his administration sent Biden to Ukraine to join other western nations to oust the criminals profiting on Ukrainian political disarray.

You right wing loonies just can't see how the dufus is colluding with Vlad to restore Soviet sovereignty to Ukraine? You did at least know that's what the invasion of Crimea and Donbass was about don't you? I guess you're also okay with the dufus throwing our allies against ISIS under the bus for Turkish slaughter.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You could at least look up the guy the entire western world wanted out for stealing money from Ukraine and allowing others in on the take too before you jump on the dufus talking points. Or do as JL does and blame Obama since his administration sent Biden to Ukraine to join other western nations to oust the criminals profiting on Ukrainian political disarray.

You right wing loonies just can't see how the dufus is colluding with Vlad to restore Soviet sovereignty to Ukraine? You did at least know that's what the invasion of Crimea and Donbass was about don't you? I guess you're also okay with the dufus throwing our allies against ISIS under the bus for Turkish slaughter.

The Kurds are learning what it means to trust a nutcase like Trump. He pledged undying loyalty to them in June. American foreign policy is now dedicated to Trump's personal interests - Trump Tower in Istanbul.

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Originally Posted by Athos

The Kurds are learning what it means to trust a nutcase like Trump. He pledged undying loyalty to them in June. American foreign policy is now dedicated to Trump's personal interests - Trump Tower in Istanbul.

just another american abandonment of a ME ally, nothing new here

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There was no cover up just right wing loony lies that were blown out of the water by later OFFICIAL investigations and how easily you dismiss Obama's Monday after Rose Garden address that set the record straight.

So if he set the record straight in the Rose Garden by saying it was a terror attack, then why, two weeks later, did he send Susan Rice on FIVE Sunday morning news programs to loudly proclaim it was NOT a terror attack, but rather just a local response to an offensive video? Why did he do that?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So if he set the record straight in the Rose Garden by saying it was a terror attack, then why, two weeks later, did he send Susan Rice on FIVE Sunday morning news programs to loudly proclaim it was NOT a terror attack, but rather just a local response to an offensive video? Why did he do that?

First answer this: Why do you consign all human beings who ever lived and did not believe in a religion the way you do, why do you consign them to eternal punishment in hell? Why do you do that?