Um, Oprah's final tv show was in May 2011.Quote:
from V7: Look how many times Oprah has had him on her show.....it has only been different since he announced his candidacy for POTUS.
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Um, Oprah's final tv show was in May 2011.Quote:
from V7: Look how many times Oprah has had him on her show.....it has only been different since he announced his candidacy for POTUS.
The dufus administration is reconsidering deporting men, women, and children currently being treaed for life threatening illness. I guess the public pressure got to him, and his heartless sycophants!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...ion-backtracks
Thank God for a free press. Without it, Trump would have gotten away with his latest madness.
At least Trump is keeping us safe:
"We had a photo. I released it, which I have the absolute right to do," Trump said.
He said the Iranians "were going to set off a big missile and it didn't work out too well. Had nothing to do with us.”
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-u-...RfMQRzZWMDc2M-
And he is keeping his VP Pence safe too!
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ty-in-ireland/
Trump isn't heartless.....Do you really think that? He is our first POTUS of German heritage and his mannerism are somewhat different and tactics are different but, heartless? I don't think so.
The U.S. has a right to protect our borders.....Does anyone have issues with that right? You must have borders just as you must have laws.
The man has no empathy. It has nothing to do with his "heritage" or "mannerisms" and "tactics". (I'm 100% German heritage, so please don't push his heritage in our faces.) And I'm sure he doesn't know a word of German; he can barely speak English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
We can protect our borders by establishing more checkpoints, plus hiring and training EMPATHETIC people to staff them so that refugees and asylum seekers and jobhunters can be processed more quickly.
I think he is intentionally heartless, and cruel, in his efforts to show strength by driving a hard bargain. So much for talk softly but carry a big stick, but who will grovel to a bully? Yes I can see protecting the border but not at the expense of the healthy and safety of men, women, and children and especially not with cruel bully tactics as a deterrent policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Is that the best repubs can do? Patently unchristian from the God crowd!
If we could just hire more border guards that could sing "Kumbaya" around a campfire, our border problems would be over.
No, that's not the solution. Why are you turning a major problem into a joke?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You forgot the sarcasm font again, but no biggie. Maybe more border guards, but more immigration courts and social and health care workers to help the humane processing for migrants would be better than just more guards, and tent cities. You could have built a small city with the manpower and wasted resources you have already paid private contractors for those tent cities and had plenty of loot left for a hospital and a school while the dufus was feeding you BS!
No sarcasm font needed or intended.
Oh! Oh! You're shaming me.Quote:
No, that's not the solution. Why are you turning a major problem into a joke?
No. Shaming you would be,"And you call yourself a Christian, turning a major humanitarian problem into a joke???"Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Wondergirl: I am of German heritage, too....and I beg to differ with you on a certain point: My Father was no lovey, dovey kind of Dad and neither was my Grandfather and, to the outsider, anyone watching them would have considered them to be "cold" but they were anything but! I can see this same kind of characteristic in Trump....it is a Germanic trait, I am afraid, but it is real....Trump is a warm person deep inside.
The U.S. should not have to accept ANY ILLEGAL ALIENS! Why should the U.S. be forced to accept anyone it choses not to deem acceptable or want inside its borders. Why did not the damned SANCTUARY CITIES NOT WANT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS? I mean, if you are going talk the talk, why in the hell don't you walk the walk and take them into your SANTUARY CITIES?
If you cannot see that the illegal aliens USE CHILDREN AS A SHIELD TO GAIN ACCESS ACROSS THE BORDER, then you are blind or you just don't want to know the truth. The North Koreans did the same tactic during the Korean War...same type of using children to avoid being repulsed.
And, why do those coming at the U.S. from the Southern border get any more special treatment than those coming from overseas? My wife if from overseas and she had to wait a long damn time to get into the U.S. and a lot longer time to become a U.S. Citizen.....so why do the illegal aliens get any special treatment because they are hoofing it across the border: WE OWE THEM NOTHING! Anything we give them is because we so chose to do so, not because we are obligated to do so.
The POTUS' first job is to PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S.: Do you think allowing unmitigated human invasion across the Southern border is protecting U.S. Citizens?
We have enough crime born from out own population, we don't need "extra" nor should we want extra.
You want to about Minimum Wage, then stop allowing illegal aliens into the country so that fat bastards can exploit them to the hilt, take advantage of them, rape them, and ride them like a rented mule to get even fatter off of! Its disgusting! And, I don't blame the illegals because I would do the same! I blame those that would just open the borders to a flood of illegals so that they can be taken advantage of by construction outfits, golf course owners, restaurant owners, and gangs! You think that is O.K., then YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS CRUEL!
Oh, and BTW: When you drive down wages because you saturate the job market with cheap, illegal labor, then, guess what: It won't be long before YOU WILL FEEL IT, TOO: YOU AREN'T INSULATED and I don't care how much buffer you think there is between you and the janitor...it will get to you and your wallet, you are safe!
You cannot break into my damn house and then expect me to fix you dinner and provide you with a warm bed! It ain't happening!
How do you reconcile your belief that Trump is a "warm person deep inside" with the fact that he is attempting to deport children who have come to the USA to be treated for life-threatening rare diseases. The ongoing treatment has been successful saving their lives but not available in the children's home countries. Trump wants to deport them anyway within 33 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Your "warm person" is sending these children to their death.
The motto of liberals. "It's OK when we do it, but wrong when you do it."Quote:
No. Shaming you would be,"And you call yourself a Christian, turning a major humanitarian problem into a joke???"
I was actually trying to point out the non-serious nature of your proposed solution involving "empathetic" border guards. My solution is simple. Build the wall. Everything else has been tried and proven ineffective. But I doubt it will be done. We have become a weak nation with too little resolve to defend itself and its own citizens. Ask the family of Kate Steinle if you don't believe that. An innocent woman killed and no one is held responsible. Thank you, California.
You failed to mention that they are receiving treatment on the American taxpayer's dime from Medicaid. I don't see how any nation 23 trillion in debt, with more debt accumulating daily, can believe it can afford to pay for med care for non-citizens.Quote:
he is attempting to deport children who have come to the USA to be treated for life-threatening rare diseases.
"All had been granted “medical deferred action,” a special status that allows immigrants to remain in the country legally, receive Medicaid, and work while they receive treatment for dire health conditions."
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...YBN/story.html
I think the key thing you said was WORK while they get the treatments they need. So not like it's a totally free ride since anyone working pays taxes and contributes however small or large. The amazing thing about the brown people often overlooked is their wanting to WORK. Often for a beast at a very unfair wage and terrible back breaking conditions.
Did you also know that many were brought here as a part of clinical trails with no guarantee of success, but many more will be treated and saved and they have contributed to a greater good that can't just be ignored, and I just don't think its right to add too the trauma in such a cruel way as they get that lifesaving treatment which is not just for them, but for many others too.
The drug companies pay for that expense, and Medicaid pays for the standard poor people stuff. I don't think 23 trillion in debt is due to migrants getting treatments for rare disease as part of a larger research effort, and those Medicaid expenditures probably pales in comparison to lets say subsidies to farmers because of those trade wars, or the business that the dufus funnels to his own properties, some losing money bigtime.
https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/c...d-hidden-data/
In case you wanted some data to help figure out why YOUR health care costs are rising. Keep in mind this is but ONE aspect of a multilayered process. Given the totality though, begrudging a few sick kids life saving treatments because they use Medicaid is like not feeding the guinea pig.
I admire the Latino immigrants. They do work hard and value family relationships, but it's a bad idea that since it is a nice thing to do, then we must do it and forget about how to pay for it. That's why we are 23 tril in debt, the idea that spending proposals need not have a means of funding.Quote:
I think the key thing you said was WORK while they get the treatments they need. So not like it's a totally free ride since anyone working pays taxes and contributes however small or large. The amazing thing about the brown people often overlooked is their wanting to WORK. Often for a beast at a very unfair wage and terrible back breaking conditions.
I would like to see a federal law that any congressman who proposes new spending without an iron-clad means of paying for it would be immediately sent back home and put out of the congress.
If people want to be charitable, they should do so with their own money and not force other Americans to pay for their charitable inclinations.
You cannot just look at debt in isolation, as it but only requires a degree of growth (Or expansion) to make it manageable with a better plan and managers to make it work. Repubs ain't it. Why should I pay for your cruelty and hate filled fears? You probably agree with this guy.
https://www.conservativereview.com/n...idency-begins/
Go ahead stick with Moscow Mitch and your favorite lying cheating dufus managing OUR money! So much for your values of a Christian nation meme.
23 tril of debt is 23 tril of debt. We are paying interest on that every year. Make it manageable? That's the kind of thinking that constantly drives up the debt every year. There are no tricks to make it less damaging. What we need to do is grow up and start paying our way every year, but I have no hope of seeing that happen until the wheels fall off the cart and we have no choice. Go look at Greece to see how much fun that is.Quote:
You cannot just look at debt in isolation, as it but only requires a degree of growth (Or expansion) to make it manageable with a better plan and managers to make it work. Repubs ain't it. Why should I pay for your cruelty and hate filled fears? You probably agree with this guy.
Repubs ain't it? Your hero, Mr. Obama, added as much debt in his eight years as every other president before him combined, so please don't try to work your politics with me. It's a huge problem with both parties since we, the voters, just yawn and let them keep it up, but a day is coming when we will regret that.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Who the blazes cares if it's on the American taxpayer's dime! These terminally ill children were ASKED to come here so medical research could find a cure for their rare diseases infecting children all over the world. The research has been successful and these children are being kept alive in this country by the treatment they're receiving which is not available in their home country. And which now can be used to save many more lives.
You and Trump want to send them home to die! You care too much about those dimes the government is stealing out of your pocket so children may live.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
How ill-informed can you possibly be? You sing this tune over and over again without a single mention of what Obama inherited from the Bush administration. With the criminal collusion of Wall Street, the country (world) entered into the Great Recession which Obama brought the country out of. If it had been left to the Republicans their laissez-faire solutions would have created a Depression far worse than the 1930s.
Then there's that tax cut for the middle class that Trump trumpeted as saving $4,000 a year for all of us. He promised it would reduce the deficit. In reality, it has increased the deficit, probably by at least 2.3 TRILLION, a conservative estimate.
Why is it you never bring up those facts? Instead, like Trump, you just blame Obama wherever and whenever.
And thus we see why we are 23 tril in debt. If they were ASKED to come here for research, why is the taxpayer having to pay for it? Yeah, it's that same ole "Who cares about paying for it?" mentality.Quote:
Who the blazes cares if it's on the American taxpayer's dime! These terminally ill children were ASKED to come here so medical research could find a cure for their rare diseases infecting children all over the world. The research has been successful and these children are being kept alive in this country by the treatment they're receiving which is not available in their home country. And which now can be used to save many more lives.
You and Trump want to send them home to die! You care too much about those dimes the government is stealing out of your pocket so children may live.
I'm not sure what your objection is. Obama incurred as much debt as all other presidents before him combined. That is a true statement. Was it necessary? You say so, but many others disagree. One way or the other, it's that "Yawn, so what?" attitude that is killing us. Is Trump behaving foolishly? Absolutely, but you are so in love with the liberal orthodoxy of Mr. Obama that you can't bring yourself to say that his incredible deficits were irresponsible.Quote:
How ill-informed can you possibly be? You sing this tune over and over again without a single mention of what Obama inherited from the Bush administration. With the criminal collusion of Wall Street, the country (world) entered into the Great Recession which Obama brought the country out of. If it had been left to the Republicans their laissez-faire solutions would have created a Depression far worse than the 1930s.
Then there's that tax cut for the middle class that Trump trumpeted as saving $4,000 a year for all of us. He promised it would reduce the deficit. In reality, it has increased the deficit, probably by at least 2.3 TRILLION, a conservative estimate.
As irresponsible as the dufus lie about talking to China over the phone to prop up the stick markets? That's not just irresponsible but may be illegal. Obamas debts were agreed to by a repub congress since no president can legally control the purse strings even in an emergency. The congress can over ride if they so chose, so are they not to blame as well as the executive? Of course they are.
The debt though is a simple fix, declare bankruptcy and screw the rest of the world like the dufus has done many times before, so what's the big deal?
If the U.S. declare bankruptcy, China will be in big trouble, at least the ChiCom part of China! Remember: If I owe you a million $s, I have got a problem.....however, if I owe you a trillion $s, YOU HAVE ONE HELL OF A PROBLEM! The U.S. declaring bankruptcy would be the ultimate power play and would torpedo the entire world economy.
Aren't Trump's deficits agreed to by a democrat House? What's the difference?Quote:
As irresponsible as the dufus lie about talking to China over the phone to prop up the stick markets? That's not just irresponsible but may be illegal. Obamas debts were agreed to by a repub congress since no president can legally control the purse strings even in an emergency. The congress can over ride if they so chose, so are they not to blame as well as the executive? Of course they are.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Non sequitur.
It isn't hard to see. Obama INHERITED the financial situation. He did what was necessary to resolve the problem continuing in what Bush had started. This is plain to see. You just refuse to acknowledge it.Quote:
I'm not sure what your objection is.
Only for you.Quote:
Non sequitur.Quote:
If they were ASKED to come here for research, why is the taxpayer having to pay for it?
Are you seriously suggesting the American government asked these families to come here to be, in effect, the subjects of medical trials? Really?
As to the budget deficits, your explanation might explain the first couple of years, but not the following six. His problem was simple. It is easy to spend, spend, spend when you don't have to worry about paying for it and when you know your loyal supporters would not dare to raise their voice for even a second in criticism. It is one thing to support a president, and quite a different thing to practically worship him.
That's exactly how it works, and I gave you a link to that effect. The Government brought those sick kids here at the request of the research company doing the trials. As per the link, those costs are mostly borne by the research company with the NIH sharing the costs. A private/public endeavor generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Boy you have facts and history all screwed up. Repubs took over after the 2010 election, and gained even more seats in 2012. So Obama had to deal with Boehner and Moscow Mitch for 6 years of his 8 year term, so tell me again how it was ALL the Obama worshippers running up deficits that you call irresponsible during a recession, where government is the primary investor and the dufus takes credit for the work done before him.Quote:
As to the budget deficits, your explanation might explain the first couple of years, but not the following six. His problem was simple. It is easy to spend, spend, spend when you don't have to worry about paying for it and when you know your loyal supporters would not dare to raise their voice for even a second in criticism. It is one thing to support a president, and quite a different thing to practically worship him.
Any dufus can walk into a clean house and start living, but the guy before him did the cleaning, and obviously did a very good job compared to what he walked into himself. Repubs have a habit of doing stuff like that as we only have to look at what Bush inherited from Clinton, a balanced budget and strong economy, and he and the dems cut taxes for 10 years, and not to mention TWO theatres of conflicts OFF THE BOOKS in Iraq, and Afghanistan and left a MESS! Obama's first budgets put those trillion dollar wars on the books for all to see and deal with.
So what are you talking about?
Read more carefully. I have said all along that both parties engage in deficit spending, but if you want to attach the repubs to Obama's deficits, then you must also be willing to attach the dems to Trump's deficits. And as I have also said before, if you want to give Obama a pass his first two years, then fine, but how do you explain the six years following them? It all comes down to a simple fact. You love Obama and would never say a critical word about him. It's a love that borders on worship.Quote:
Boy you have facts and history all screwed up. Repubs took over after the 2010 election, and gained even more seats in 2012. So Obama had to deal with Boehner and Moscow Mitch for 6 years of his 8 year term, so tell me again how it was ALL the Obama worshippers running up deficits that you call irresponsible during a recession, where government is the primary investor and the dufus takes credit for the work done before him.
Amazing how you want to blame the repub Congress for Obama's failures, but then aren't willing to credit them for his supposed successes. It's all politics. Bush was failure? I agree completely. You see? That's how it works when you don't worship political figures.Quote:
Any dufus can walk into a clean house and start living, but the guy before him did the cleaning, and obviously did a very good job compared to what he walked into himself. Repubs have a habit of doing stuff like that as we only have to look at what Bush inherited from Clinton, a balanced budget and strong economy, and he and the dems cut taxes for 10 years, and not to mention TWO theatres of conflicts OFF THE BOOKS in Iraq, and Afghanistan and left a MESS! Obama's first budgets put those trillion dollar wars on the books for all to see and deal with.
Your link was just a generic article about drug trials. It said nothing specific about the situation with these Mexican children. The link I provided from the Boston Globe specifically states that Medicaid is picking up the med costs. If our government is bringing in foreign children to use a test subjects for med treatment trials, then that is beyond despicable.
I place no blame because I have seen this political dynamic all my life and as the rent goes up, so does the debt. Now you can be outraged all you want my friend and retreat to the comforts of your tribal beginnings and nitpick all kinds of what you think is an affront to your sensibilities but a staement of fact is not an attack, just accepting reality. By the way I have pointed out in my posts not just the bad stuff but the good stuff too about our past repub presidents. Seems it's you that cannot accept the good of Obama, flawed human though he be.
Maybe some day I will find good things about the dufus to appreciate, but so far NADA! You would deny the first black president lifted up the spirits of millions with HOPE? I was inspired by it even if you weren't.
Exactly!! Thank you for illustrating your bias in favor of dem presidents. You can never bring yourself to say anything critical about them. Politics. Stinkin politics.Quote:
By the way I have pointed out in my posts not just the bad stuff but the good stuff too about our past repub presidents. Seems it's you that cannot accept the good of Obama, flawed human though he be.
Yawn. Another trillion dollars of debt? No big deal to Tal. That is why the debt continues to grow, the "what the heck" attitude of so many Americans. Time will tell, but when it does, it will be too late to avoid the pain of reality.Quote:
I place no blame because I have seen this political dynamic all my life and as the rent goes up, so does the debt.
"Retreat to the comforts of (my) tribal beginnings." What on earth are you talking about? How sad it is that when someone advocates for some fiscal responsibility, you can just blow it off as "nitpicking". You will learn, my friend. It's going to be a hard lesson, but you will learn someday.Quote:
Now you can be outraged all you want my friend and retreat to the comforts of your tribal beginnings and nitpick all kinds of what you think is an affront to your sensibilities but a staement of fact is not an attack, just accepting reality.
Well JL what can I say? I'm a dem (Very independent though), but have much respect for those old pragmatic common sense repubs from back in the day that have dissapeared from the body politic and been replaced by cowards and sycophants. If you want to go back to those days I'm all for it, but if you think I'm going to hold my nose and get behind a lying, cheating, big mouth bully and his phantom yes boys, and racist terrorists, you have absolutely lost your mind.
Go ahead raid some more slum bosses blessed by the Chamber of Commerce, and deport the workers and let the slum bosses keep making their money and call it JUSTICE! You should be ashamed, because THAT'S pure politics. That includes your dufus who has done the same thing while YOU completely look the other way.
Management of the debt is right in front of your face, if you weren't so busy being part of the problem. Stop holding your nose and get some glasses why don't you. Then you could see and smell how the dufus is stinking up the whole country, and the world with feeding you FEAR, and HATE!
It's not so much what you CAN say as much as what you will NOT say. You will never be critical of any dem and certainly not of Mr. Obama. Independent??? I don't see that at all. But as you have said, you are a dem, so I get that.Quote:
Well JL what can I say? I'm a dem (Very independent though)
Is it as hot in Texas as it is here?
It has cooled off to 100* but about 80 at night. I get the chores and errands done well befor noon, but sometimes I get the straw hat out and soldier forth. It's livable when the humidity is low but sometimes TStorms roll through and it's cooler but humid and that's what makes the sweat roll.
I gotta say though it's been that way since I can remember, but the fascinating part has been even if it rains cats and dogs all day, an hour after the sun comes out there is no evidence that it rained at all. I shouldn't complain since it's a lot better than the harsh winters and high heating bills I'm use to around the Chicagoland area.
I don't miss shoveling snow at all and wearing shorts for 9 months of the year is something I can get with. How you guys making it?
We are OK. The humidity is a problem when we get into the high nineties. I've never lived in a really cold area so it holds some appeal to me.
Can't say I didn't enjoy it as a kid, but the bones creak enough from living and working in it. My kids ran like scalded dogs from the area once the could. Can't blame them. Even the wifes peeps abandon the great north and that lake effect snow. I'll take some 90's about now.
But now you can't build a snowman and I can! HA!
I don't know. That snow looks pretty good about now.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
They were invited as part of medical research to find treatment for rare diseases affecting hundreds of millions worldwide. The program has been successful (ongoing) with children being treated in this country because the advanced treatment is not available in their home country.
Trump wants to deport them knowing they will die in their home country.
The costs have been borne by private insurance, donors, volunteers and government. Only you would deprive these children of receiving government aid because you don't approve your tax dollars being spent for it. I estimate the actual tax cost to you is one-ten-thousandth of one cent.
You presume to speak for others. You sure as hell don't speak for me. I support my tax money being spent to keep these children alive.
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