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  • Jan 22, 2015, 02:58 PM
    cdad
    Who really knows what is and what isnt.

    Generals conclude Obama backed al-Qaida

    Generals conclude Obama backed al-Qaida
  • Jan 22, 2015, 03:22 PM
    paraclete
    Yes a damning indictment of US double play in the world of the war on terror, which state is sponsoring terrorism now? The enemy of my enemy is my friend can sometimes backfire. I'm not surprised Hilary resigned
  • Jan 22, 2015, 09:42 PM
    paraclete
    Is this too good to be true?
    US officials thank Australia for helping kill 6000 Islamic State fighters including half its commanders

    Another report of thousands of ISIS fighters killed, this should be catastrophic for an organisation which was thought to have maybe 10,000 fighters but we don't hear much about them retreating and the area of territory retaken is relatively small. This should be embolding the coalition to put boots on the ground and end this
  • Jan 23, 2015, 04:02 AM
    NeedKarma
    Oh fear cdad reads wnd and believes it... and he's the Internet Research Expert. That sad.
  • Jan 23, 2015, 04:25 AM
    paraclete
    It's sad you don't take something positive from that article karma, you always want to shoot the messenger, on another tack I see that the US has started to refer to ISIS as Daesh, which should make the militants really mad, if you could be madder than they already are
  • Jan 23, 2015, 05:15 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    you always want to shoot the messenger
    Not really but in this case it's justified. It's a website full of hate and misinformation.
  • Jan 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
    tomder55
    forgetting which publication is being quoted ;the truth is that the Citizens Commission on Benghazi has on it's member list ; USAF Brig General Charles Jones retired ; Admiral James Lyons retired ,who served as CIC of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, retired General Thomas McInerney ,who once served for VP Al Goracle .and Retired General Paul Vallely . There are other former high ranking officers in the committee also . They are the ones being quoted by the author . There is no doubt that Ambassador Stevens was involved in weapon transfers from the jihadists who ousted Q Daffy ,to Syrian rebels .

    Quote:

    I see that the US has started to refer to ISIS as Daesh, which should make the militants really mad, if you could be madder than they already are
    Why should they get mad ? That's what they call themselves .
  • Jan 23, 2015, 01:06 PM
    paraclete
    Apparently Tom it denies their Caliphate and they don't like abbrebriations, you know what these religious types are like, it's the full title or nothing. But back to Stephens, if you involve yourself in gun running you are liable to get caught in the middle. These operations supporting rebel goups always end badly, I don't understand why the US doesn't operate on a higher level but then they don't assassinate national leaders, do they? This ISIS, sorry Daesh, thing could be ended with a couple of battalions of special forces given their head and allowed to operate freely in a clandestine manner. Those ineffective Iraqis could then do the mopping up and occupation, they don't need years of training for that.

    But no, we have to be sensitive to the ego's of the Iraqi and sit on the fence
  • Jan 26, 2015, 01:32 PM
    paraclete
    Korbani has fallen, this has got to be a positive and we can expect Mosul to be the next city to be liberated by the Kurds who possess the will so lacking in the Iraqi arabs
  • Jan 26, 2015, 03:09 PM
    tomder55
    Inside Mosul there is a determined resistance to the Islamic State capture of the city . They call themselves the "Mosul Liberation Battalions" ,and are responsible for a large number of Jihadists deaths . They could desperately use resupply to continue their resistance. These fighters will be assisted soon by Iraqi regulars and the Peshmerga to retake the city .
  • Jan 26, 2015, 05:10 PM
    paraclete
    This is good news, these terrorists need to be eliminated and the Kurds supported despite what Iraq and turkey think. The US should strongly support the Kurds and give the Shiite regime a big miss
  • Jan 28, 2015, 03:02 PM
    paraclete
    Keeping score
    1200 ISIS militants are said to have died in Korbani a victory that they not be able to recover from, they are now entrenching in Mosul
  • Feb 3, 2015, 02:20 PM
    paraclete
    This takes us further into the abyss
    ISIS video shows Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kaseasbeh engulfed in flames inside a metal cage

    ISIS or Daesh, the new popular name, for the nightmare that is playing out in Syria and Iraq has taken another step to ensure that the world will not rest until it is wiped out. By killing a Jordanian in this manner they will insense the Arab world. Their atrocities were previously committed against western journalists and aid workers but this sends a clear message to the muslim world
  • Feb 4, 2015, 04:45 AM
    tomder55
    I wrote this on the other op . Worth repeating ....

    the West was getting bored with beheading videos so they adopted and did an immolation murder and tossed a homosexual 7 stories off a building . When he didn't die immediately ,the crowd finished him off with your boiler plate stoning . We love a good Grand Guignol.
  • Feb 4, 2015, 05:55 AM
    paraclete
    Too ghoulish for me Tom
  • Feb 5, 2015, 02:00 PM
    paraclete
    Is this what it takes to defeat them
    Get an arab enraged?
    Jordan launches airstrikes against ISIS
  • Feb 8, 2015, 07:00 AM
    tomder55
    the King of Jordan is certainly taking it to the Islamic State . But when he asked for US drone support he was turned down by the emperor who's National Security Advisor doesn't think that jihadistan poses an existential threat .

    This of course fits in well with his inactive foreign policy that is now being designated as “strategic patience.”
    White House Unveils Call for ‘Strategic Patience’ | Foreign Policy

    Basically ,strategic patience is drawing a red line ;and when it gets crossed ,draw another one. Another name for it would be 'dithering obfuscation' . You see ,losing Egypt ,Libya, Syria ,northern Iraq ,Yemen was all part of the plan.
  • Feb 8, 2015, 01:32 PM
    paraclete
    Strategic patience is that your way of saying isolationist, you always use two words where one will suffice
  • Feb 8, 2015, 01:58 PM
    tomder55
    in this case ,it's just another manifestation of 'Lead from Behind' (LFB). It went from LFB to 'don't do stupid sh~t' and now to 'don't do anything' . The next phase ,already underway is “conscious uncoupling”.. or in your words ,isolationist . As Evita says,"What difference does it make?"

    The emperor clearly is thinking of the threats of the 1st millennium .But he should realize that the threat posed by the Medieval Christian world is contained . Time to move on to the existential threat posed by jihadistan .
  • Feb 8, 2015, 02:03 PM
    talaniman
    Jordan is all fired up and ready to go, but lets see how long it lasts before we send in anything they holler for. If anyone should get what they want, it's the Kurds!

    Frankly Tom I see no reason we cannot give the locals a chance to fight for their own rights, instead of us rescuing them.
  • Feb 8, 2015, 02:07 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Frankly Tom I see no reason we cannot give the locals a chance to fight for their own rights, instead of us rescuing them.
    I imagine what this country would look like if the French said that about our revolution."it's not our business. go fight for your own rights " .
  • Feb 8, 2015, 02:14 PM
    talaniman
    Imagine where ISIS would be without our support now.
  • Feb 8, 2015, 02:27 PM
    paraclete
    Don't go there Tal
  • Feb 8, 2015, 02:32 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Quote:

    Imagine where ISIS would be without our support now.

    Imagine where they'd be if we didn't bug out of Iraq before it was wise to do so .
  • Feb 8, 2015, 03:57 PM
    paraclete
    Leaving Iraq is only one factor, you could have fought an AQ insurgency there forever, it continued after you were gone and the idiocy of the Iraqi leaders made a bad situation worse, however Syria and the rise of daesh is something else. I understand the disengagement in Iraq just as I understand it in Afghanistan but your unwillingness to deal with daesh effectively I don't understand
  • Feb 8, 2015, 06:32 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    it continued after you were gone
    wrong , the insurgency was unambiguously defeated by the combination of the Sunni Awakening ,with coalition support . What happened is that when the US announced our bug out ,then the Maliki gvt turned to the only patron in the region they could depend on ;the Iranians. The quid pro quo for that support was to reverse all the power sharing guarantees that the Sunnis had in the unity government . That decision is what bred the Islamic State in Iraq .
  • Feb 8, 2015, 06:39 PM
    talaniman
    So we should have stayed in Iraq as an occupying force, after we overthrew Saddam, who kicked Iran in the arse, and run their government?
  • Feb 8, 2015, 11:55 PM
    paraclete
    Where have you been Tom? When did the bombing stop in Iraq? The insurgency didn't stop. You are like Bush and his Stupid mission accomplished
  • Feb 11, 2015, 08:56 AM
    tomder55
    The emperor will present before Congress a request for an AUMF for our efforts against the Islamic State that will not lead their defeat . It is my understanding that it will be so restrictive in scope that it will, if passed ,seriously limit the ability of the future POTUS to prosecute the "Long War" . It will sunset and restrict the next CIC from extending it until a renewal request in 2018. That means the next POTUS will be bound by it's terms for 2 years .
    It is another one of his idiotic plans where we broadcasts to the enemy what military options we will not take and how long we will stay . If I follow the guidelines fron the National Security Assessment,the emperor will act "decisively " ....BUT only 'legally' ,'discriminately' , 'proportionally ',and 'bound by strict accountabilty ' . Now I'm not a weapons expert . So are any of our weapons calibrated to proportionally respond ?
  • Feb 11, 2015, 09:09 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Now I'm not a weapons expert . So are any of our weapons calibrated to proportionally respond ?
    You honestly don't know what that means?
  • Feb 11, 2015, 09:32 AM
    talaniman
    Its to keep the next POTUS from spending trillions of bucks, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteer kids in Iraq for 10 years, while making contractors rich and fat.

    You know like the last Bush Iraq Adventure.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 09:56 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    You honestly don't know what that means?
    sure I do . It means 'how to lose a war' . By definition it means we should not be using air power because our enemies don't have air power .

    Quote:

    Its to keep the next POTUS from spending trillions of bucks, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteer kids in Iraq for 10 years, while making contractors rich and fat.

    You know like the last Bush Iraq Adventure.
    nah ;it's the emperor doing the same mistakes he made in Iraq and Afghanistan....announcing a date for withdrawal before the war is won.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 10:02 AM
    catonsville
    The "DUD" is already telegraphing. He knows nothing. He will screw this one up, like everything he has touched so far.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 10:15 AM
    NeedKarma
    How is this Obama's fault again? LOL at the righties.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 10:44 AM
    tomder55
    The emperor did not mind executing the war under the terms of the AUMF of 2003 . What he wants to do is handcuff the next POTUS . What he should've done is ask for the authority when he started the bombing campaign. Back then he determined that he doesn't need it because the AUMF from 2003 and 2001 was still in effect. He was right then . Why do you think he has determined he suddenly needs a new one now ?

    Now can you imagine FDR asking Congress for a declaration of war and telling them. 'I want authorization to wage war against Japan and Germany for a set specified time period. After that time we are going to punch the time clock and go home.' Imagine instead of saying we will do what is necessary to defeat them ,he said his declaration bans “enduring offensive combat operations”.


    Of course it would be easy to prosecute the war in the emperor's time frame if he actually fought to win it . But as I already pointed out . He's planning on handcuffing his commanders .
  • Feb 11, 2015, 11:49 AM
    talaniman
    The congress can give the next POTUS whatever he/she ask for, whenever he/she asks for it, if they want to.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 11:54 AM
    tomder55
    right .the point is that this may be the first war declaration in our history that has an expiration date . Like Edward Klein wrote .. the emperor is an Amatuer . 6 years later .

    What's he going to call it ;'Operation Kick the can down the Road '?
  • Feb 11, 2015, 12:01 PM
    tomder55
    The really comical thing is that the emperor's war against ISIS,ISIL ,Daesh,the Khorasan group , those vicious extremists who behead and randomly shoot 'folks' in a deli in France..... whatever ,for over a half year now.

    It's not like he thinks he needs Congressional authorization. It's not like he would actually restrict how he executes the war if he chose to ignore the provisions of the AUMF .
    No ,all he's really trying to do is handcuff the next POTUS.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 12:10 PM
    catonsville
    "How is this Obama's fault again? LOL at the righties"

    Well, we have only lost 2 Embassies thanks to "DUD". Way to go "LEFTY". Disarmed the Marines and taken the vehicles etc. Wonder if he will take it back? Just read that they closed the embassy and that it was not taken over. Earlier report I read said different.
  • Feb 11, 2015, 12:53 PM
    NeedKarma
    And how many were killed in 9/11 and in Iraq?

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