Do you have children?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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Do you have children?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
WHat differnce does that make? Lazy is lazy... I knew how to lay brick and block, build a footer for a foundation, do basic carpentry and plumbing besides mechanical work, and everything a person needs to be self sufficient (as a bachelor) before I ever graduated high school and entered college to get my degree in Electronic Engineering.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Few young people today can even find the spare tire much less know how to change it or much else....yet they think they know everything there is to know about everything.
Where are these young people you are complaining about? My experience has been just the opposite. Even the non-white kids want to (and do) learn and excel and learn a trade or go to college. It all comes down to the parents and their rolemodeling/teaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
If they have all these "skillz"... why are they lounging around until they are 30 or more in their parents houses... when jobs are out there... Obama said so, so did Harry Ried adn Nancy Pelosi...they all claimed the economy is doing great and there are 20 some million illegals finding jobs... many of them in the Skilled trades. Not picking vegetables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I don't see many late teens or 20 anythings willing to break a sweat or get their fingernails dirty until they find a better higher paying job.
And I certainly don't know any that can even find much less replace the fuel filter on their car....much less do anything else.
Sure the parents share SOME of the blame, until they turn 18....but ultimately the youth bear it all when they become legal age....being lazy because you have lazy parents is not a legitimate excuse.
They aren't lounging around here. And there are millions of jobs unfilled. One of the problems is that entitled white kids don't want to start on a lower rung of the ladder, but expect to be CEO two weeks after their start date. I blame the parents for that attitude. "You can be anything you want to be." (No, you can't. You might even have to sweep floors for a while.)Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Where are these millions of unfilled jobs when the REAL unemployment rate (The U-6 rate) is 12.3%Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
U6 Unemployment Rate | Portal Seven
Or are 12.3% of the population commiting fraud?
I do agree by the way that no you can't be anything you want......you only have the chance to try to become it. If you work hard enough...maybe you will, or maybe you won't. Life is what you make of it....work harder and work smarter you get more of it than if you take the easy way out..
Apparently you have been out of the loop for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
There's a mismatch in skills. We don't need more lawyers, but we do need more plumbers and pipefitters, more electricians, more postal workers (at least in my town, we do). Would you rather mention at the next party that you are a pipefitter or a corporate attorney?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not in my part of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Post office is having to downsize.. dramatically...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I don't consider World of Warchraft or Grand Theft auto as job skills... and a lot of the youth even if they did take high school serious... have no skills beyond playing those games.
If you don't have any skills you have to get an entry level job while you learn some... Until you learn enough to be of value to someone... you just aren't going to earn very much.
And anyone thats reasonably intelligent...adapts to what the job market needs....or moves to where their skillset is needed.
Not every kid plays World of Warcraft or Grand Theft Auto, isolating himself from the rest of the world. And I agree that teens and young people have to start on a lower rung and work their way up, no matter what the job or career, meanwhile learning how a company works and how to get along in the corporate culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not in my part either... and I'm raising some great kids right now.Quote:
Apparently you have been out of the loop for a while.
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Much of the problem stems from what is known as human resources. Those people in HR tend to go overboard for qualifications for jobs when they should just focus on what is really needed to perform the task at hand. Just examine local newspapers and you will see it in many ads.
the trend with legislations and executive orders regarding minimum wages just make it tougher for kids to get their feet in the door . As an example ,the 16 – 19 age group in Washington State has a 30.6 percent unemployment rate;7.7 percentage points higher than the U.S. average of 22.9 percent. So what did Seattle do to remedy that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Seattle approves $15 minimum wage - Jun. 2, 2014
the are unreal expectations when employing people for entry level jobs. If you are going to be paid slave wages the only qualification you need is a willingness to work but if the minimum wage is higher much more can be expected
nope ,all it means is that they end up having to compete with the adult labor force for the jobs. An entry level job is just that ,and entry level job with no experience .An entry level job is and was never intended to be a career .
things change Tom not everyone is a world beater some are just glad to hire on and see where it takes them
Portland Ore., and San Bernardino, Calif. , have unemployment rates higher than 50% for teens who haven't graduated from high school.31.4% in Seattle, 39% in Los Angeles and 37.5% in San Diego. Raising the minimum wage will make those numbers worse.
maybe not since it is apparent that the jobs just arn't there. you need a plan such as we implemented where those under 30 are required to move to where the employment is, or get no government support. the goods news for those who get jobs over there is they will be paid what their labour is worth, or just maybe they won't have a job. It's a compact that works both ways you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What is really needed is to revamp the education system and get away from this "me" crap they have been pushing and back to producing productive citizens. There used to be technical classes like wood or metal shop as well as auto shop. They taught skills and also gave you some insight into what it would be like to have that type of job. You gained a sellable skill along with an education. But in the new age of teaching our children those types of classes were the first to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I agree make them move to the jobs... Most of the college grads where I'm from had to move to find work. I came to that conclusion before I graduated college, and I moved to the work. There is work to be had, you might have to move to find it. But thre are some people that flat out prefer to be unemployed than to move. THose that CAN'T move for one reason or other are a minority of them.
Of course, it is easier to teach "computer skills" and have kids waste their time looking things up on the internet, all we have now are thousands who's only skill is plagerism
And they would break out in a rash if they got their hands dirty or had to sweat.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
yes I wonder what jobs require the ability to access Facebook
How about being able to access the companies intranet. Computer literacy and competence is a first step in most 21st century jobs, and has been for decades as technology has boomed and manual labor has declined. New skills are indeed needed, by old and the young.
Get with the program. Grocery stores are becoming even more automated.
I don't need to get with the program Tal I have a degree in computing, I was with the program before you knew there was a program. What I know is this kids don't need to be taught computers in grade school, that is B/S
There you go again. You and smoothy bloviating about how you got yours but in facts these kids are smarter than you or I and have been exposed already to new technology and NEED to be educated, taught, and groomed for the skills of now, and not held back by the thinking of yesterday's ego tripping.
Just wrap your head around the fact that kids today HAVE to be smarter than we were just to clean up the mess we made. LOL, even the plumbers and pipefitters have to be somewhat computer skilled nowadays, and digging a ditch no longer requires just a shovel because one guy can dig on hell of a ditch with new tools in the time you dug your hole with a shovel.
Get with the program Clete, as even your computer skills could stand to be dusted off a bit as there is much more for YOU (and me) to learn. You are hardly at the top of the pinnacle, but as far as your thinking can take you. You can't just sit and whine with Smoothy about everybody else, more can be, and has to be done.
what a load of claptrap and old , the kids arn't any smarter, I see no indications of that, that they have learned something about technology I see as a case of monkeys with IBM typewriters. Everything is incremental. Facebook and Twitter don't need smarts infact they are for the very dumb. You think my computer skills need updating, that goes for everyone about every five years, fact is I don't need to handshake with FRED anymore than I already do. I look around and what do I see, posers carrying tablets and Iphones and Ipods, making like they are important enough not to put the thing down for five minutes
These losers might or might not be smarter than you... but they sure as hell aren't smarter than me or clete... or they wouldn't be sitting unemployed in their mommas house whining about how there are no jobs.
If they had any intelligence or any motivation... they would find a job... or create their own job by starting a business to fill a need that someone else isn't already doing, or doing it better than someone who already is.
That's how its always been done... if they were so freakin smart.. they should have figured it out like all of our ancestors did. Or is it they really are a bunch of dim bulbs?
Anyone who knows more than the average person... has a better grasp on what they do actually know... and how much there is to learn. The average high school or college graduate believe they have learned everything they need already... when in fact just the opposite is true... the learning they will need to get through life is just beginning at that point.
it's our fault. We've conditioned them to be dependent to get their a$$es wiped by either their parent ,or the government .
Yes it is your fault, what are you going to do about it
not more of the same.
Does this mean you want to see gun reform?Quote:
not more of the same
We can discuss it only after the liberals give up their freedom of speech first. The first amendment is no more important than the second. Take away the second and there is absolutely nothing stopping the rest from being taken away. History has proven that time and time again.
Meglomaniacs like Obama would declare themselves King for life...and his minions would kill anyone who opposed it if the population was disarmed. He's already shown 6.5 years and complete diregard of the law...and his minions fight to keep him from being charged with his numerous crimes. He won't be in office much longer....and the statute of limitations hasn't expired for most of them. So he might still be charged yet.
The good thing is we aren't disarmed....and an armed public would not stand for anyone declaring themselves king.
pure paranoia, I live in a democracy where it is not necessary to enforce democracy at the point of a gun, one of our retired politicians said recently he was glad we did not have the complication of a Bill of Rights, I see no rabid response in the media or anywhereelse, ours is an ordered society based on fairness, yours is a society based on rights, as to order, I leave that for you to judge
Well. I'm glad I don't live in a place that doesn't respect people rights to own weapons and to defend themselves.. when there police and militart have plenty. As well as the criminal element.
You also don't have Obama votors... who tend to be devoid of any moral compass and feel they are entitled to what others have worked hard to earn.
These statements can only be made by real idiots.Quote:
You also don't have Obama votors... who tend to be devoid of any moral compass
Once again you show your ignorance and your indoctrination.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
There is more respect for people's rights here than there is where you live, we start with the right to live safe, peaceful lives not intimidated by the gun, we don't have large police forces and we don't have a large military. Today there was an incident in a major city, it didn't result in a gun battle.
You want to talk about a criminal element, your access to weapons breeds it. We have plenty of people on welfare, but we also have low unemployment, we all understand that, there but for the grace of God go I, and while we want them to be responsible, we are not keen to penalise them as you do. Unfortunately some of your ideas are slipping by the net, we can keep illegal immigrants out but we can't keep bad ideas out
No... only a real idiot can't understand what it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Hardly... but then... you have a far different and lower expectation of what you call freedom than we have. And you never had the enumerated rights that we have. We have rights... you have things your polititians allow you to have for the moment... always subject to be taken away on a whim.
You have the advantage at keeping the illegals out by virtue of having a whopper of a natural moat around your country.
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