Maybe because we haven't had a leader as completely incompetent as the dufus in the white House the left considers a Messiah in more than the last 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Maybe because we haven't had a leader as completely incompetent as the dufus in the white House the left considers a Messiah in more than the last 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The most recent republican was in charge during the worst terrorist attack ever on US soil as well as the worst financial downturn ever. But facts just get in the way of your rhetoric.
Are you really that stupid? It appears so.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Becaause you are willfully ignorant of the Democrats involvement in everything that lead to those. But then, what can we expect from the Canadian School Systems anyway. THey gave up on teaching facts generations ago apparently.
Bill Clinton holds FULL responsibility for OBL running free... and the Democrat Kabul... inCluding Obama played a MAJOR part in setting up the Financial Meltdown... all well established FACTS... But then its also well established... you have no use for facts, they get in the way of your rants.
And incidently...despite Liberals claims to the contrary....the recession isn't over....and Obamas own policies have made sure it would keep dragging on as long as possible. THats Obamas fault.....not Bushes fault.
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THe worst day under Bush was far better than the best day under OBama the last almost 6.5 years. BUt then A Canadian wouldn't know that...go back to watching Dudley-Do-Right.
No but you seem to be.Quote:
Are you really that stupid?
The meltdown happened before Obama, here are some facts: Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not sure what Obama did since he wasn't in a position to make federal legislation.
Not sure why you attack me personally or the canadian education system for that matter. I guess small minds need to find something to attack.
I see you are going back and editing your posts again. <sigh> I guess you have nothing better to do.
So you celebrate the deaths of 3,000 of your fellow americans? That's cold.Quote:
THe worst day under Bush was far better
You holler but don't fix, just blame the other guy. That's no solution Smoothy given that repeating Fox talking points doesn't translate into legislation that helps anyone but rich guys. Keep shoveling money at Mitt and his boys while you sing his praises when he gets back from visiting his money he is socking away overseas.
You have made greed a virtue, and a right, and slavery a capitalistic business model. All those former middle class people reduced to poverty to preserve the bottomline.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Are most Canadians as clueless as you seem to be? I certainly hope not.
WHen you have brain damaged people Like Harry Ried prancing aroung like Napoleon... acting like he alone is in the Senate... then nothing CAN be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obama couldn't run a sidewalk lemonade stand without bankrupting it. Mitt unlike most Democrat career polititians at least thas successfully run a business.and a state. Obama has done neither.
King Mitt throws people out of work and bankrupts companies to sell on the cheap to another rich guy for his profits. Still burns right wing butt he failed to win his election.
Karma you have to get in smoothy's mind Bill Clintooon is responsible for everything apparently because his cruise missiles missed allowing OBL to make a comeback and just because Obama advocated for loans to the poor he is responsible for the GFC, he forgets the GFC was caused by greed, the greed of the bankers, the greed of Wall Street, Obama's response might have been over the top but they don't have a depression, just a recession and I have news for them, it took Japan ten years to get any sort of real recovery going and it might take america just as long and that is because of failed trade policies and you can't blame Obama for that but give him time, he is going down the same disasterous path..
the problems with the american economy are structural and the reasons of that go back a long way. It is the price of empire, when empires go into decline so does the economy. America was the empire of the twentieth century, time to realise it and move on, otherwise you will become like Mussolini, trying to revive past glories
completely besides the point . Micky Ds in the US has not adopted them even though they are available in Europe and Aussie. The reason has been that there was no great reason to switch to them as long as their labor costs were in line. Min wage increases will be the deciding factor because of the labor expenses. Who suffers ? People looking for start up jobs. Hate to break it to the libs here ;but a job flipping burgers at Micky Ds was never intended to be a lifetime position.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
In light of the recent shifting of middle class jobs overseas no job is strictly a start up job, or just for teenagers any more. A fact you conservatives try to ignore, in search for the cheapest labor. Wait until Romney raids YOUR pension funds.
Maybe way back when McDonalds started it wasn't intended to be a job to actually live off of, but it's is now. Instead of being grateful you still have YOUR job, you put down folks who need one when there are few of them to be had in the first place.
Conservative thinking all the way. (From some anyway.............lots of conservative poor people out there!)
No it isn't. It's technology that's making it's way into retail, regardless of location or minimum wage laws. For you to say that's "it's not McDonalds so it's irrelevant" is intellectually dishonest.Quote:
completely besides the point .
Grocery stores have had self check out for a decade now. Everyone has a card swipe.
You're delusional if you think there is no connection. I'm not saying that the technology didn't exist. I'm saying that the conversion will accelerate if employers find it saves them money..
Forget Micky d's . The small mom and pop bodega will install it if it's cost efficient ;and driving up min wage 40% (20 % above the adjust inflation rate since 1968 );and to index it to the rate of inflation in the future , will guarantee that the conversion will be hastened. To put it simply ;it will worsen the competitive position of low skill workers vs. machines.
http://econweb.tamu.edu/jmeer/Meer_W...nimum_Wage.pdf
These low skilled jobs are going to disappear anyway.... it's the speed of the conversion that is at issue .
Ok, let's follow your theory. Give me a country with, in your opinion, an acceptable minimum wage.
Nice study, except the factor of a grumbling belly overrides empirical STUDIES. You don't need a study to know subsidizing wages for billion dollar companies is CRAZY, given the train of doing business is felt locally, while what they sell cheaply here is made in an even cheaper market environment.
Slower growth maybe but that's not in itself a bad thing at all, since we define growth as profits from one point to the next on a specific time line. Consistent growth would be preferable to fluctuating market conditions artificially applied unevenly as a result of demand. Never heard of Henry Ford huh? He created a demand with balancing affordability with revenue sharing in the form of wages, and got PHAT doing it.
I respectfully submit that as evidence of a better business model than chasing cheap labor and undervaluing labor I the first place. Ignoring the source of DEMAND in the business model in has historically led to hard restriction in circulation that keep supplies afloat and price consistent.
Wages have never led to global financial meltdowns, GREED always has, so expect more, no matter if wages are reduced or restricted. I am a capitalist too, Tom, and know the value of consistent reliable revenue streams over the get rich quick now tactic. That's not capitalism it's greed.
Yes Tal but all Tom and his ilk know is the greed economy and they think it actually works instead of creating the situation that exists today. The fact is it works for a few privileged individuals and now your greatest competitor, the chinese have bought into this business model and are out competing you at it while the "capitalists" sit around and moan about lower wages and high taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
BIll Clinton is who got the offshoring in high gear... THank the democrat party.
I set up a number of different datacenters based in this region that were designed for low paid people in several parts of India to do jobs Middle class Americans used to do. In fact a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly
But none under Bush?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
At last we know who to blame for economic demise in the west. It is YOU!!! and you dare to come here and blame othersQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Actually...not really....it was hard and heavy under CLinton, once the issues they had with a third world telecom infrastructure started geting sorted out. Some of them went Belly up a few years later. Americans didn't like it then, and they don't like it now either.....when you call and American Company for support...you really want to talk to an American here in America. Not someone in India.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The problems created really burned up a lot of the savings made with the lower wages. Sometimes it ended up costing more as a result.
I got a lot of overtime doing it....never thought it was a great idea....but I wasn't asked what I thought....they wanted something...they paid for it....I did my part to deliver it to them.
Really? My job was delivering data services worldwide to people, businesses and governments that paid for them. What they did with them wasn't my resonsibility, though I did know quite well what was being done...and what was transpiring...and a lot of what was passing through them. I only made sure they worked once I put them in, and dealt with any issues that cropped up down the road, and everything I saw and heard while doing the job needed to stay confidential. I was paid well for doing that. I've worked with nearly every Telecom company in the world....and with nearly every country in the world at one point or other during most of the last 30+ years, and several emlpoyers.. I was even involved in several communications satellite launches over those years as well. It was a good job as far as I was concerned....I found it quite interesting....and quite satisfying....even if frustrating from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
yes but what you did was show the Indians this was a business model that might work and those industrious little buggers sold it all over the world so now, not only you, but we have to put up with foriegners who can be barely understood in call centres answering queries as well a job losses like your quote says "you can't fix stupid"
I didn't show them anyting... I've never been in the sales side of things. Most of those "industrious buggers" are the ones that dreamed it up. Many of them really have no imagination... but a few do... and had the resources to pursue it... Here's one name I'm sure you have heard of... TATA... they were a major player. And a HUGE company with a lot of resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
TA TA interesting connotations. This is what you get for playing in someoneelse's sand pit, we should never have woken China, India and Japan. Left in ignorance they would be feudal worlds to this day
If they are smart enough to develop NUKES, you better be able to deal with them.
they are great copiers, I'm waiting for something original to emerge
India just elected a new PM, and they have nukes, not copied, developed. They had a turnout of half a million. Watch out China.
Na. That's a zero sum game and both are smart enough to realise it. Just because someone can apply principles developed and tested by someoneelse is not original thought. Once the nuclear power industry proliferated the rest just follows, otherwise why is everyone bothered by Iran.
It is good the Indians voted for change, it might keep more of their people at home, they have proven to be very mobile in recent times
Narendra Modi is an interesting character. I can tell he is shaking up the socialist establishment by how the press is braying about him.
Yes a new broom perhaps, certainly he has a track record of getting things done. I think we may see India abandon its apologist stance towards Pakistan. We will see how Mr. Pivot towards Asia handles that one
if the emperor is smart ,he will adopt the closer strategic relationship policy with India that GWB started . Bush made an error in denying a visa to Modi to enter America ,trying to appease the Pakis .That error has been corrected I believe . But that is a wound in the relationship that needs healing . Modi was singularly targeted for alleged oppression of religious freedom ,in a world where religious persecutions occur daily . Further ,Modi has been cleared of any wrong doing by 3 Indian investigations.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion there is anything like due process in India, but you do need to learn to be more across the politics of other places otherwise you will behave like some of these less civilised places instaed of just looking like them
I'm looking to see if he follows through with free market reforms as he has indicated . If he does ,and the Indian economy takes off, then watch out !
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Originally Posted by tomder55
The Indian economy already has a high growth rate, what they will do is start to take business away from the Chinese, we are already seeing their cars emerge into our market, and the view is like, Belarus all over again, but... It is actually surprising what India already exports, besides people; medical supplies, drugs and I expect they will want to be able to pay us for our uranium, coal and iron ore
much of that economy comes from his Gujarat province. The US press is full of reports about his supposed extremism.... Evidently he couldn't control a mob of Hindus that were upset that a train full of Hindus were burned to death by Muslim terrorists.
Hey who control a mob of Indians? the people of the subcontinent are a very volatile people and they have to do something for entertainment, it's a contact sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I wonder what you would do in the same circumstances, I know, shoot something
So would you wouldn't you? Look at what you do with boat people, or the indigenous that don't assimilate. Well maybe you wouldn't shoot them, just bust heads if they get out of hand, eh? Round them up and isolate them?
We will see when there are twice as many living on your island.
Tal it is difficult to protect people from themselves, but the "boat people" have broken our laws and deliberately so. Your illegals have broken your laws and deliberately so, but you seem to think it is alright to exploit them as a source of cheap labour. We don't have the same view. As far as the indigenous are concerned any person wanting to live in a traditional way can do it, but that means you can't live in a city. We have tried to deal with the problems of indigenous just as you have tried to deal with your poor, if you have the solutions why are 50% of your people below the poverty line. Criticise us how you may but that doesn't happen here. When you have done away with Gitmo you can lecture us on how we deal with boat people, it isn't our finest hour, but we have the same right to border protection as you do, but we can't build a wall or a fence. By the way we haven't shot anyone in a demonstration in a awfully long time, our wallopers prefer to wallop themQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The only problem with twice as many living on our island is water, every other resource is adequate but the Indians are a problem in large populations, ask FiJi
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