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Interpreting poll numbers is not you sides strong suit, we know that. But I predict small businesses will love the exchange. At least in the states who have been putting the efforts into making them work for their constituents, and not setting up road blocks for the essential job of navigating their citizens through it.
A clean bill to fund the government for 60 days for now and we keep arguing our points and see what else we could come up with. Reasonable enough for now??Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
How about the Democrats stop being obstructionists and let the bill go through AS-IS, exactly who died and appointed them rulers of the universe anyway.
I love this thread, the examples just keep rolling in.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Mimi is still in denial. Even if the website doesn't work in December she sees no reason to delay Obamacare...
As Bonehead asked...Quote:
At a Thursday afternoon press conference, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi was asked by THE WEEKLY STANDARD if Obamacare should be delayed in whole or in part if healthcare.gov still isn't working in November or December.
"No, no," Pelosi replied. "It has nothing to do with the programatic part. It's about technology."
But some experts have warned that if the technology isn't working weeks or months from now, Obamacare's federal insurance exchange could be thrown into a "death spiral." To function, the exchange needs enough young and healthy people to sign up, and if the healthcare.gov website isn't working, the people most likely to take the additional time and effort to sign up will be old and sick.
On Thursday, Pelosi dismissed concerns about the continued failure of healthcare.gov causing a health insurance "death spiral," saying, "No, no, I don't think so."
It isn't entirely clear how long the administration has to fix the website without causing serious problems. "For now, the failure [of healthcare.gov] has mostly been a PR nightmare for the administration. But it has the potential to cascade into a crisis for real people if challenges continue too long," Politico reported Wednesday. "Some industry officials point to Nov. 1 as a potential test for the system. That’s the day when the federal exchange is due to transfer thousands of Medicaid applications to state agencies."
House speaker John Boehner has cited the website's failure as a reason to delay the individual mandate. Under Obamacare, Americans who don't have health insurance will be fined or 1 percent of their income, whichever is higher, if they don't purchase it by February 15.
A reasonable question. Considering they're at maybe 20 percent of their target for October, it's an even better question.Quote:
“How can we tax people for not buying a product from a website that doesn't work?”.
Richard Fernandez observes that the Emperor instead of being forward thinking is in fact leading a course to 'back to the future'.
Belmont Club » LaggedQuote:
The relations of power in the world are constantly changing. Good managers know this and are always looking for a wave to catch and ebbs to avoid. Timing in statecraft is very important, but it is something the president seems to lack. What has kept Obama from catastrophe is the unexpected success of everything he discounts, from the tactical skill of the US military to the resilience of all sectors he considers back numbers. He proceeds instead from a kind of fixed idea.
President Obama's policies have from the beginning been dogged by a curious kind of obsolescence, as if he were planning the future on the basis of trends which were new fifty years ago. He held up Spain as the model for Green Jobs at a time when that country was already beginning to collapse. He pushed Obamacare with the fervor of a 1950s socialist even as the welfare state model of the EU teetered from demographic rot, held up only by the printing presses of the Federal Reserve.
He became enamored of Muslim Brotherhood only to discover that the populations of the Middle East had passed them by. His Secretary of State, John Kerry, is even now trying to solve the puzzle of peace in the Middle East by brokering an irrelevant agreement between Palestine and Israel, as if the world were back in 1947. And now, after finding the Saudis have left his wagon train, almost while he wasn't looking, the president has hitched his wagon to Teheran a decade late and a trillion dollars short.
He's right on schedule to implement Obamacare in about 3 years time, when the website finally comes online, just in time to realize the government can't afford it, and neither can its members. He seems to live, not in time nor even in eternity, but in the stagnant pool he imagines is timeless. Perhaps in ten years president Obama's mind will arrive at the present day and belatedly rediscover the possibilities of his own country, which he had written already off as being in terminal decline. Until then it's Back Full and Back Emergency.
Obama sold himself to the voters as the candidate of the future. His real talent however, apparently lies in missing every opportunity that history presents. It has been said that “generals always fight the last war, especially if they have won it”. With Obama it's different. He always fights the last war and can't even remember who won it, except to remain confirmed in his conviction that the future is some other country's past.
He concentrates on the emperor's bungling of foreign policy... but also uses domestic energy and Obamacare as examples of backward thinking by the emperor.. who still believes he's ahead of the curve.
More conservative website opinions?
The source is irrelevant. What part of the op-ed do you disagree with ?
Hello tom:
It's CRAP. Pure CRAP. I didn't have to read very far in this screed to find CRAP.Quote:
He became enamored of Muslim Brotherhood
excon
Oh so you think he isn't enamored with the Muslim Brotherhood ? Why is it that he was willing to supply Egypt with military hardware when the Brotherhood was ruling ,but is now planning on suspending aid now that the military lead a revolt against the Brotherhood.
Hello again, tom:
Enamored IS birther crap.. I never thought I'd have to explain foreign policy to you...Quote:
Why is it that he was willing to supply Egypt with military hardware when the Brotherhood was ruling
He's doing it for TWO reasons... (1) The military is the ONLY counter force TO the Muslim Brotherhood, as has been born out by recent events, and (2) Egypt IS an ally that we PROMISED to support when they signed the peace treaty with Israel.
We DO want them to adhere to the treaty, don't we?
excon
Why, are they militarily strong. Only now that the brotherhood has been removed are they honouring their obligationsQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
So again... why is he considering suspending aid to Egypt ? And why was he willing to send aid to Egypt when the Brotherhood was in charge ? I think he's got it backwards. Nahh enamored is not birtherism.. not even close .One of his 1st moves as the President was to go to Cairo and stir up popular revolt .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You have it backwards too.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Vote for Glenn Beck then. Or any of the Fox News failures.
Juan Williams, bless his soul, blamed the healthcare.gov disaster on GOP opposition to Obamacare. Only in liberal la la land can the embarrassingly ridiculous failure of the launch of a massive overhaul passed with no Republican support and executed and managed by a Democratic administration be the fault of Republicans. GOP pressure was so great they had to roll out an untested site and lie about it's awesomeness.
He is a republican messiah.Quote:
Vote for Glenn Beck then.
Unlike Dems we don't elevate people to Messiah status.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So is Obama, the wingers here have called him that repeatedly. We call Beck a right wing loony in contrast.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That was a perfect post for this thread, a perfect example of aversion to reality.When you show us all the examples of any conservative elevating Beck, a Libertarian I believe by the way, to a god-like status we can talk. Otherwise, the examples of lefties singing the praises of The One will never be forgotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."
-- Michelle Obama
"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."
-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)
"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."
--Lawrence Carter
"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."
-- Dinesh Sharma
"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."
-- Chicago] Sun-Times
"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"
-- Mark Morford
"He communicates God-like energy..."
-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)
"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry
"A quantum leap in American consciousness"
-- Deepak Chopra
"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart
"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."
-- Eve Konstantine
"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews
"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."
-- Oprah Winfrey
When are you going to learn that progressives are a coalition of ideas, and opinions and are not just stuck on one idea, or opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The TParty hates everything and everybody who doesn't completely agree with them and hell bent on destroying what and who they don't like.
They should rename themselves the TParty POOPERS. That would be accurate at least.
Wow, 2 in a row. The post had nothing to do with the Tea Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The TParty runs the republican party doesn't it? I cut out the middle man.
George Soros runs the Democrat party. In fact he OWNS Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well at least you have someone to blame, the Republicans can't seen to decide who to blameQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Nugent threatens death if Obama wins in November – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
He is neither dead or in jail, after we did our part, the hypocrite liar!
And all the liberal wackos that threatened to move to Canada if Bush was reelected are still here. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes, the once again resurrected liberal Dominionist conspiracy is definitely an aversion to reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You do know that they did pay him a visit and they asked about it as if it were a threat right?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
CNN never got the coverage right on the first gulf war or anything since.
You don't think a loony with GUNS should be checked out after he talks CRAZY?Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Did he threaten anyone directly ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Nobody has checked out Durbin, Reid, Biden or Obama yet... and everything that comes out of their mouths is crazy and deranged.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Dead or in jail is a veiled threat to me coming from a loony talking crazy with a bunch of guns. They would have been derelict in their duty not to check it out. Nugent fan back in the day maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Look whose talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Right now it is you...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You believe EVERYTHING your messiah tells you... when nothing he has ever told anyone has been found to be factual or truthful. In fact Obama makes Bill Clinton look Honest.
I am confident having thrived and survived many presidents, I will survive this one. Next one too, God willing. Why live in fear the world will end? Why holler when you can relax and enjoy the fruits of your labor?
Just because you work with lefties all day every day why holler at me with your assumptions? Relax and get ready for Hillary to take over.
I was thinking similar thoughts in the Bush years with all those libs coming unhinged, wishing death on the regime and even making movies fantasizing about assassination.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I work close to lefties every day... they tend to be the most self deluded imbiciles on the planet. Like true cult members believe what they are told to believe and discount every shred of proof to the contrary they are faced with...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And like Jehovahs Witnesses... still go door to door aggressively trying to convince everyone else to not look at the man behind the curtains... but take their word for it. THey are right and everyone else is wrong... trust them on it.
Being dumb and uneducated is one thing...but when educated people ignore hard evidence to trust a known liars words (Obama in this case)....there is no excuse for that.
Probably due to their kids dying overseas.Quote:
all those libs coming unhinged
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