I'd like to keep them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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I'd like to keep them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Let me elaborate on my earlier post...Quote:
I'd like to keep them both.
While you wingers were sniveling about the 2nd, IN CONSORT with YOU, and on the FOUNDATION laid down by YOUR president, George W. Bush in the laughably entitled Patriot Act, Obama stole the 4th.
So, let's start calling SPADES, spades, OK?? I'm on the side that says we go BACK to the time before 9/11 when our PRIVACY, such as it was, was a PROTECTED right. I'm calling for a complete REVERSAL and DISMANTLING of the surveillance state no matter WHICH government agency is doing it.
Is that YOUR side, or are you one of the SNOOPS? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how afraid you are... How, you're WILLING to give up privacy for security...
Well, I'm MORE afraid of my own government than I am of terrorists.
Excon
And the drive by media is still defending Obama and almost everything he does... and they probibly will continue until their First Amendment rights get curtailed... thats the only thing that could possibly wake them up... but I have my doubts they would even then.
Particularly since they couldn't find real things to go after Bush for so they fabricated some... I.E. Rathergate. Obama has dozens of things and they won't go near them.
Nobody like you nasty loud conservatives that think you are entitled to special treatment and no one else is.
Yeah... well what goes around comes around... remember that when its OUR turn to do this to all the lefties... because after all its just as much our RIGHT to do it as well... we are going to do it at LEAST as aggressively.
And by the way.. you don't get to whine about it then... because you have made it abundently clear you support it.
Remember the saying... Payback is a B*tch.
I never gave the feds permission to snoop on Americans nor have I defended it, so snivel at someone else about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:
I HATE corrupt officials. They belong in JAIL. If Obama is CORRUPT, I want him gone even MORE than you do.Quote:
And the drive by media is still defending Obama and almost everything he does...
But, before I say that, I've got to KNOW what he DID.
Now, I can agree that he hasn't been an especially good president. But, I don't know of anything he DID that is corrupt... Yeah, he's the boss of the IRS, and he did a BAD job of managing them... So?
Just link me to the SMOKING GUN the PROVES he's corrupt, and I'll start singing your tune... Until then, you're just another right winger flapping your gums.
Excon
Um, have you not been paying attention? It is Obama consistently ignoring his own law, granting waivers and creating a two-tier system of health care. It was a Republican that insisted Congress live under Obamacare and the president who exempted them.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just think of all those filibusters and cabinet appointees we owe you guys, not to mention a few jobs bills. Yeah I can't wait for pay back.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We can repeal a lot of stuff too starting with the vagina police, and papers please for minorities and women. And the greedy money grab by rich guys. Or we could elect Hillary and sic her on the right wing that's harassed her for decades.
Sorry you guys can't have a lame stream media all to yourself. We would let you use ours but I doubt they would go for it.
They like what they have and have as much right to keep it as you guys do yours. So drop the bogus straw man over waivers and exemption because that was the whole idea of making people without it get it, got it?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Probably not but stop throwing crap in the game.
That hypocrisy by you guys since you got insurance but don't want poor people to have it.
Obama ain't ignoring it, you guys are trying to kill it. You will fail.
LOL, it's dizzying watching you flip flop and dance around your own positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Flip flop... flip flop...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just like a fish...
I still remember how the left for decades acted like Watergate was such a HUGE deal... when nobody got hurt and it was such a minor crime... that would normally only warrant probation...
THen there is the IRS breaking every law out there... and then Benghazi where they are still breaking laws by witness intimidation... not to mention the 4 people that died...
Hello again, smoothy:
A cover-up conducted BY the president should warrant probation??Quote:
when nobody got hurt and it was such a minor crime... that would normally only warrant probation...
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... And, a few more ha ha ha ha ha's to boot.
Excon
Someone picked a lock in an apartment... in Watergate... nobody died... nobody even got a papercut.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
FOUR PEOPLE DIED in Benghazigate and witnesses are still being threatened and has been covered up for a year now...
We still don't know HOW the Embassador died.. nore do the families of the others that died.
Watergate was NOTHING compaired to the seriousness of Benghazigate.
Hello again, smoothy:
I understand. Your version of Watergate IGNORES everything that followed the break in.Quote:
Someone picked a lock in an apartment... in Watergate... nobody died... nobody even got a papercut.
That's OK. MOST right wingers IGNORE the history they don't like.
Excon
There is NOTHING in the Patriot Act that permits the excesses this emperor has done. Not even close.Quote:
While you wingers were sniveling about the 2nd, IN CONSORT with YOU, and on the FOUNDATION laid down by YOUR president, George W. Bush in the laughably entitled Patriot Act, Obama stole the 4th.
I see you are ignoring everything following the intitial attack on the Embassy in Libya... something they were able to watch live as it happened in the WHite house... and tell that to the Military people that Obama basically fired for trying to do something to help...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How about the fact we had rapid reaction forces at the airport in Libya on the ground during most of this... and they were told totand down and do nothing...
Tell you what... if a mob aof people bent on killing you were holding you... raping your wife... raping YOU... and someone told the police to stand down and do nothing... I guess that would be less important then someone picking a lock on an unoccupied apartment.
You just can't make this stuff up. Obama has appointed the guy that lied to us, about government snooping, James Clapper, to round up a panel to investigate.
Obama calls for outside review of NSA intelligence collection
The whole Obama admin scam for getting to the bottom of anything is denial, skepticism, reluctant acknowledgment, faux concern followed by "nothing to see here, move along," distraction, obstruction and investigating itself and finding no fault. What a deal.
At least we can admit that Snowden is a hero for disclosing secrets that should not be secret.
Snowden deserves to be the victim of a prison rape.
Hello again, smoothy:
So, you didn't want to know that the government is SPYING on you?? I wanted to know. You'd rather be kept in the DARK?? Really?? Nahhhh.Quote:
Snowden deserves to be the victim of a prison rape.
How about if the IRS targeted right wingers in SECRET?? Wouldn't THAT be something you'd like to know??
Excon
I don't admit that at all. What we have in Snowjob is (if I'm being generous) is some desk jockey who decided on his own to grab electronic information that he doesn't own ;and to make a unilateral decision to disclose it . Why would I think he's more competent to decide what should be a secret than our elected leaders ? Had he gone through the proper channels to disclose this information then perhaps I could look on him as a hero instead of a sap who will now spend the rest of his life on the run ,or in a Russian gulag ,or in some 3rd world version of a gulag ,or possibly in an American jail when he tires of running .Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Based on the article,it doesn't appear that the emperor's concern is the nature of the apparent 4th amendment violations as much as his concern for ending leaks. I'll remind you that it was such a concern that drove Nixon to create 'the plumbers '.Is James Clapper the new G Gordon Liddy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So it should have been kept a secret then? I'm confused as to what you guys want.
How companies spy on you:
How to Know If People Are Spying on Your Computer | eHow
Corporations Spy On Citizens | A Nation In Peril
Maybe while we are mad about the government invading our privacy (to protect us from terrorists and criminal), we should be as mad about private companies doing the same thing(and not to protect us).
We can make the government stop, or at least show enough probable cause but what about the banks, insurance companies, or McDonald's. Walmart's tracks your stuff too.
My problem is that there are legitimate state secrets that someone at his level should not be deciding are worthy of revelation. Already such leaks have cost American and American assets lives . Snowjob left with a PC full of information that the Chinese had the first crack at and the Russians the next . Maybe he had nothing... Maybe he gave them critical intel. It was not up to him to decide .Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Had Snowjob gone to the relevant Congressional committies with his information then I would've had more respect for what he did . Had he disclosed them and then hung around to defend his actions (ala Daniel Ellsburg )I would've had more respect for him. He doesn't look like a hero to me .He looks like a traitor .
What power does Micky D's have over you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
As you know that would never have seen the light of day.Quote:
Had Snowjob gone to the relevant Congressional committies with his information then I would've had more respect for what he did .
No I don't know that at all.
I know a lots of what they are doing.. I'm sure there is a lot more I don't even know they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I have a biigger fear of what some beuracrat is trying to shove up my butt while they are holding me down... and telling me its going to be good for me... than what they are going to overhear.
No, I would think your total loss of privacy would bother you more. But your fantasies are indeed interesting.Quote:
I have a biigger fear of what some beuracrat is trying to shove up my butt while they are holding me down..
Privacy in the modern world is not what your think... or expect it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Unless maybe you live in the Northern Territories... where it actually might. But then you would be more concerned with survival and getting eaten by polar bears... than what someone might overhear.
They have power over their employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As employers should... if those employee went out and started their own businesses and hired people that would too.
But the customers of any business have power over that employer.
And the power to retaliate against the ones protesting on their own time, or congregating to organize their own union.
That's the price that goes with freedom of speech... there is no freedom from consequences.
That's why its called at-will employment... stick your finger in your bosses eye.. don't be surpised to find a pink slip.
You work for McDonald's?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If I'm using a company PC why would I expect privacy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The Compost momentarilary dropped their Praetorian Press status to do some real reporting :
NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds - The Washington PostQuote:
The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents.
Most of the infractions involve unauthorized surveillance of Americans or foreign intelligence targets in the United States, both of which are restricted by statute and executive order. They range from significant violations of law to typographical errors that resulted in unintended interception of U.S. e-mails and telephone calls.
In other words the audit results were completed during the 2012 election cycle and was withheld from the public . Not only that ,but they withheld the results from the highest ranking members of Congress .Quote:
The NSA audit obtained by The Post, dated May 2012, counted 2,776 incidents in the preceding 12 months of unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications.
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Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who did not receive a copy of the 2012 audit until The Post asked her staff about it, said in a statement late Thursday that the committee “can and should do more to independently verify that NSA's operations are appropriate, and its reports of compliance incidents are accurate.”
Clearly the requirement to run some of these ops past the FISA court was no road block ,or even a speed bump for that matter .Quote:
The causes and severity of NSA infractions vary widely. One in 10 incidents is attributed to a typographical error in which an analyst enters an incorrect query and retrieves data about U.S phone calls or e-mails.
But the more serious lapses include unauthorized access to intercepted communications, the distribution of protected content and the use of automated systems without built-in safeguards to prevent unlawful surveillance.
The May 2012 audit, intended for the agency's top leaders, counts only incidents at the NSA's Fort Meade headquarters and other facilities in the Washington area. Three government officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters, said the number would be substantially higher if it included other NSA operating units and regional collection centers.
Before he went on his excellent vacation ,the emperor held a presser where he proposed a 'national conversation' about NSA surveillance . Then he proposed some cosmetic changes to the agency .Quote:
In another case, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has authority over some NSA operations, did not learn about a new collection method until it had been in operation for many months. The court ruled it unconstitutional.
How the President's Message on NSA Spying Has Evolved - NationalJournal.com
Here's one he could do immediately... force the agency to operate under EXISTING laws and restraints .
Why would he do that.. the White House and DOJ don't operate under existing laws now either.
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