Then how about an answer? It's not like you haven't had opportunity. One more time...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why should an abortion clinic that performs surgical abortions not be regulated like any other surgery center?
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Then how about an answer? It's not like you haven't had opportunity. One more time...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why should an abortion clinic that performs surgical abortions not be regulated like any other surgery center?
It should be but to be clearer for you the way Perry and repubs are going about it SUCKS!!Quote:
Look I get that safety should be first, but the standards of that safety at this time appears both arbitrary, and capricious designed to eliminate not facilitate.
Now what's YOUR plan, or theirs for the servicing the needs of current clients.
It's their plan and to my knowledge there is no contingency for the affected people. Why would that be if they were putting woman first?
Well that was like pulling teeth, but now we're getting somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I already said (again something like five times) that if there is no compliance window that's wrong. So what's the compliance window? Been asking that since you said it was "immediate."
Ohio Senate passes budget bill with anti-abortion measures - News - WIN 98.5 Your Country - WNWN FM - Battle Creek, MI
Ohio Abortion Opponents Try New Tactic to Curb Clinics - BloombergQuote:
The Ohio Senate on Thursday passed a $61.7 billion two-year budget which includes controversial amendments that would limit federal funds for Planned Parenthood and ban public hospitals from having patient transfer agreements with abortion clinics... In addition, the bill would prohibit doctors who have rights to practice at a public hospital from also working at an abortion clinic, and block transfer agreements between abortion clinics and public hospitals.
Clinics enter into transfer agreements if more care is needed than the clinic can provide, and cannot operate unless the agreements are in place.
So much for health and safety.
So much for abortion why should it be facilitatedQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
FYI if you didn't know, Texas is taking another shot at protecting the lives of women and ending the death and dismemberment of babies after 20 weeks. I doubt the mob will prevail this time.
Hello again, Pretender:
Texas will probably succeed at closing 50 something abortion clinics, and you can PRETEND that the women who NEEDED them will be very well protected..
But, it makes NO sense to me. Of course, I'm HUMAN.
excon
Since abortion is big business I see no problem why they can't make the needed upgrades by September of next year. I mean come on, they are all about women's health CARE and making abortion "safe" and "rare" right?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
That is what a HUMAN would do, not throw a temper tantrum to maintain the right to smash, rip and tear 20 week old babies limb from limb.
Hello again, Pretender:
Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable. But, you may PRETEND that it is.Quote:
Since abortion is big business I see no problem why they can't make the needed upgrades by September of next year.
You may also PRETEND that the women you're leaving WITHOUT any health care whatsoever, will bare their babies instead of reaching out for the nearest coat hanger..
Over to you, Pretender.
Excon
It's profitable enough that the "non-profit" largest abortion provider in the country can pay its CEO a $400k salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Just admit it dude, you don't think women deserve the same standard of care as everyone else.
That's minuscule compared to what other CEOs get paid.Quote:
It's profitable enough that the "non-profit" largest abortion provider in the country can pay its CEO a $400k salary.
Need a list of Non-Profit hospital CEO's? How about banks, insurance companies, or Walmart's.
If there are no clinics, there is no standard of care. Women are left to their own devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ex: "Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable"Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Apparently it is, what other CEOs make is irrelevant.
The next woman I know who has medical complications I'll remind ...."at least you have abortion rights " .When she gives me a puzzled look I'll remind her that access to abortions is access to women's health.
Women get ill and die from many things . The leading causes are things like heart disease cancer ,strokes.. things like that . Lack of abortion access is probably very low on the list of things that cause women's deaths .
So this rhetoric about denying abortions being equated to denying women health care is spin at best and it comes from this equating pregnancy with a disease I guess.
It is when you want to put things in perspective. It isn't why it derails your point.Quote:
Apparently it is, what other CEOs make is irrelevant.
And stop stalking me.
So now you tell them what they can have access to? Abortion, and the related complications from pregnancy are but part of the equation. Give it ALL to them, whatever they need when they need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sorry ,got to draw a line on taking someone else's life for the convenience of their parents .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But when that child is 18, let's send him off to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Apparently it's not or it would be legally murder. I know we'll never agree on this.Quote:
got to draw a line on taking someone else's life
The law says abortions are legal in the first trimester, so the onus is on the female is to be educated about what to do as soon as she knows she is pregnant (typically after 4 weeks approx.) and to me that means consulting her doctor... If she can afford one, or has one.
If not she still needs options. Unbiased knowledgeable options.
CorrectQuote:
I know we'll never agree on this.
You mean the law imposed on us by SCOTUS.. but that's another op.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why are the choices, and options, and opportunities of others, under the law, such an imposition on YOU?
"on me " they are not . I'm interested in protecting the life of the most innocent from arbitrary state sanctioned murder.
At least we've finally found a regulation libs don't love. It just happens to be one that protects women but no biggie there, right?
Dewhurst is looking into reports that media members were inciting the mob at the vote the other day.
Dewhurst: I’ll pass the late-term abortion ban — and “take action against” those who incited demonstration « Hot Air
I wouldn't doubt it considering their breathless coverage of the left's war on children. I guess they forgot there are cameras rolling.
In case you missed it the left's newest superstar and media sensation (or do I repeat myself?) made the Sunday show rounds yesterday for all manner of fluff, hero worship, fashion talk and the "how many ways can you avoid saying 'abortion'" game. The money quote?
Ya don't say.Quote:
WENDY DAVIS: You know, I think really what's happening here, Bob, is politicians are using this issue to boost their own political aspirations, their own political aspirations, their own political ambitions
P.S. For those whining about what the width of the doors has to do with this (which I had already answered), a note from David Freddoso via the Gosnell trial:
But remember, emergency access has nothing to do with protecting the health of the woman.Quote:
The grand jury noted that even after Gosnell's unqualified, unlicensed staff had (at his direction) given her a lethal overdose of local anesthetic, she might have still been saved but for the clinic's "cluttered," "narrow, twisted passageways" which "could not accommodate a stretcher" to get her out. Mongar still had a pulse when paramedics arrived, but they lost a critical 20 minutes just trying to get her out of the building.
It's come to this... the pro-abortion mob chants "hail Satan" as pro-life women share their abortion related testimonies and sing Amazing Grace in the Texas capitol's rotunda.
Yes, really. CNN reported it, too.
No one is ever "pro-abortion". FYI.
Then why the bumper stickers and t-shirts?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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FYI, the reality is they do love abortion but they'll call it anything but (as I noted above) and few admit it outright.
I Love Abortion: Implying Otherwise Accomplishes Nothing for Women’s Rights
I'm quite certain that the vast majority of women do not share the opinion of the nutcase you dragged out in the open.
Yup. No woman I've ever known in my long life --- Christian, Muslim. Hindu, atheist, agnostic -- has ever been pro abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
He is right if you dig very deep into the breakdown of America you will see its all playing a part.
You guys can play your little games all day on this but I'm right. All this rhetoric about "women's health" and all that nonsense was exposed for the lie it is in light of the response by the pro-abortion crowd to the Gosnell trial. There was no concern for women's health, there was no concern for making abortion "safe and rare, and no sympathy for the child victims just as there was no effort to enforce standards that would have prevented that travesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And just as this Texas episode shows and ANY possible attempt at an abortion restriction, preserving the sacrament of abortion at all cost is the only concern. So as long as they misrepresent us and lie to women I will call it pro-abortion if I damn well feel like it. When you take that side to task for their misrepresentations, dodging the issue with all their euphemisms for abortion and the lies about "protecting" women I might consider your point.
P.S. Calling them what they are, pro-abortion is much more civilized than their mob tactics and chanting "hail Satan" at peaceful women exercising their rights, so deal with it.
Ok, you don't need us then, just people that agree with you, regardless of any facts. Enjoy.Quote:
You guys can play your little games all day on this but I'm right.
Irony alert, I'm not the one that just dismissed the facts but hey, the sooner more people conform to my view the better. Meanwhile, feel free to be wrong all you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ramping up the war on women nationally...
Rubio to Introduce Senate Bill to Ban Abortions After 20 Weeks
So go ahead, tell me why abortions should still be legal after 20 weeks. That's 5 months. Here's an image of the baby at 20 weeks from MedicineNet to help you decide.
While you're pondering my last question, more of the pro-abortion crowd keepin' it classy...
And the photo of the day courtesy of the pro-abortion protesters.Quote:
State senator Donna Campbell, who issued the third point of order against Davis’s filibuster (which ended it), has also been the target of extensive verbal abuse from pro-choice protesters, according to her spokesman Jon Oliver.
They’ve received Facebook messages and e-mails saying, “I hope you’re raped” and “I hope your daughter’s raped,” Oliver tells me.
“Lots of language — ‘You’re an effin’ blank,’ ‘You are a traitor to women’ — those kind of things,” Oliver says. “I wouldn’t say anything’s necessarily a direct threat, but they’re the kind of e-mails that make you a little nervous, especially when you start talking about family members: ‘I hope your family members are raped.’”
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If you missed it, that's a little girl holding a sign saying "If I wanted the government in my womb I'd F*** a Senator."
I guess there is more then one running around these days ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Girl Scouts Join Planned Parenthood at Huge Pro-Abortion Conference | LifeNews.com
Planned Parenthood Admits How Pro-Abortion They Are
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