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If my benefits are excluded from taxation then I guess the government thinks it's OK to tax my employer instead to compensate for the tax loss ? You see ,under the old arrangement ,employer provided benefits are tax deductible to the employer and non taxable to the employee. But you see taxing the employer as a way to force employers to pay for your policies .
I have been saying all along that employers don't have to pay a tax for rising costs. Even the larger employers are restructuring how they pay for health care and seeing more bang for the buck and saving more money to boot.
Issues in S and T, Summer 2003, Restructuring the U.S. Health Care System
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Such reform, seemingly utopian now, may eventually gain wide support as the failure of market-based health care services to meet the public's need becomes increasingly evident, and as the ethical values of the medical profession continue to erode in the rising tide of commercialism.
Well that's a nice way to put it...
Germany’s Effort at Clean Energy Proves Complex
Ya think?
Mr. Taeuber may not have any light at home but at least he has cleaner air. No wait, emissions actually ROSE last year. So what exactly does he have now? Does anyone care, or are you happy that ridiculous progressive energy policies are taking people back to the stone age?Quote:
It is an audacious undertaking with wide and deep support in Germany: shut down the nation’s nuclear power plants, wean the country from coal and promote a wholesale shift to renewable energy sources.
Irina Lucke spent most of last year on the low sandy island of Borkum in the North Sea supervising the assembly of the 30 soaring turbines that form the wind farm, which probably will not generate electricity until next year.
But the plan, backed by Chancellor Angela Merkel and opposition parties alike, is running into problems in execution that are forcing Germans to come face to face with the costs and complexities of sticking to their principles.
German families are being hit by rapidly increasing electricity rates, to the point where growing numbers of them can no longer afford to pay the bill. Businesses are more and more worried that their energy costs will put them at a disadvantage to competitors in nations with lower energy costs, and some energy-intensive industries have begun to shun the country because they fear steeper costs ahead.
Newly constructed offshore wind farms churn unconnected to an energy grid still in need of expansion. And despite all the costs, carbon emissions actually rose last year as reserve coal-burning plants were fired up to close gaps in energy supplies.
A new phrase, “energy poverty,” has entered the lexicon.
“Often, I don’t go into my living room in order to save electricity,” said Olaf Taeuber, 55, who manages a fleet of vehicles for a social services provider in Berlin. “You feel the pain in your pocketbook.”
Mr. Taeuber relies on just a single five-watt bulb that gives off what he calls a “cozy” glow to light his kitchen when he comes home at night. If in real need, he switches on a neon tube, which uses all of 25 watts.
It is a fact of life that we are all paying for Thatcher's jaunt into nuclear energy and the fable that Global warming would be the result if we didn't. It must be tough for german's. Here we also know what a 250% increase in power prices means after the society went mad with solar installations but interestingly we haven't built any coal fired power stations or any nuclear ones either and we haven't regressed to the stone ageQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We are well on our way to a same fate..Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
New Rules On Power Plants Will Kill Coal Industry - Investors.com
Maybe all those laid off coal workers can get jobs building bridges and roads, to their former plants and mines.
Well maybe they will or they will build wind turbines and nuclear plants
I wonder whatever happened to those horse carriage manufacturers... their jobs should have been preserved!Quote:
maybe all those laid off coal workers
Well they became auto workers but what happened to the farriers?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Did they replace the horse carriage before the auto was viable ? The trouble with libs is they put the cart before the horse.
Wind turbines are inefficient blights on the landscape . Nukes work for me ;but everyone has developed a phobia about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I understand the part about talking to oneself and the bit about going back and reading the conservation. However, the rest of your sentence is largely unintelligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I have already read the conservation and rereading changes nothing in relation to your social Darwinism. I also invited you to defend this position. More specifically in relation to natural order and sterilization
You have the microphone. Go for it.
Tom nuclear is both expensive and as we have seen with Fukashima fraught with problems when things go wrong, not to mention the difficulty of disposal of waste, not enough wars to spread the spent uranium over the planetQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Solar is becoming viable but of course only in certain parts of the planet and wind really only blows enough in a few inhospitable places but neither solar or wind are long term solutions. I love hydro myself, build a hydro generator and you have it for a century but the environmentalists won't let you build dams
surprise, surprise!
Now they tell us once again, global warming is actually happening and guess who caused it? I'm wondering why do we need to be told this over and over again, and now there will be no ice at the North Pole in the summer of 2050, well I don't know about you but I don't think I will be here to check whether this prediction comes true and if their predictions are anywhere near true nor will the rest of us because the unstated consequences of that piece of computer extrapolation are somewhat dire and I haven't heard anyone mention permafrost, did they forget about that? No Ice at the poles means massive release of methane and maybe they haven't noticed, it is a greenhouse gas
Another wonderful prediction; Australia will have 100 days above 20 degrees Celsius, guess what, scientific dudes have you asked anyone here what the weather is like, like we have at least 240 days of SUNSHINE now and it is early spring and the temperature is over 20 degrees in some places it is even 33 degrees C
I don't like repeating myself... and I was quite clear the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Don't worry smoothy, it takes a while for the signal to travel this far we haven't got the NBN yetQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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Originally Posted by smoothy
You were not clear the first time. Some parts were decipherable, but the rest was unintelligible. Would you like to have another go at it?
Throughout history the 'end of the world ' 'chicken little's' have been disappointed periodically that their predictions have not come true. So although this new IPPC report greatly dials back the alarm;they just can't help themselves in keeping their basic premise in tack ( warming is man made.. the science is settled... people who don't believe their orthodoxy are "deniers " [a not so subtle attempt to smear them with the same pejorative used for holocaust deniers] ) . Call it job security . The east side a Manhattan can be a great place to work ,and most government and nonprofit funding has gone to global warming alarmists .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If you are as intelligent as you think, you could figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Funny how they retreat on previous claims but up the ante saying our only hope is geo-engineering.. Even odder is their apparent deep concern on how to address the actual data that puts a huge scientific kink in their agenda... yes, we can admit the politics of global warming trumps the science.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't think I am intelligent and at no stage have I ever made such a claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello again,
I wonder how the round earthers dealt with the flat earthers. At some point, they just ignored them. That's were we are. We're moving ahead despite your lives in la la land.
excon
Yes ex life continues as we know it, at least until 2020 after that you are on your own
Interesting comment coming from the side worried about the political fallout over the science not supporting their alarmism.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.
Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean. However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans. However, it is this heat transport that plays a major role in natural internal variability of climate, and the IPCC assertions that observed warming can be attributed to man depend crucially on their assertion that these models accurately simulate natural internal variability. Thus, they now, somewhat obscurely, admit that their crucial assumption was totally unjustified.
Finally, in attributing warming to man, they fail to point out that the warming has been small, and totally consistent with there being nothing to be alarmed about. It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep the international climate agenda going.
[Dr. Richard Lindzen, emeritus Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT.]
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/...-the-ipcc-has/
MIT? Oh they're full of flat earthers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There is always a calm before the storm. I suggest we keep watching and make preparations just in case.
We bought a bag of ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I rather like warmer weather myself...
Yes smoothy but all the ice gathers are going to be out of businessQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Naw... there is that nagging problem of the Polar Ice packs being larger than ever in recorded history... thing like facts get in the way of the average rants of the lefties and environazis..Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes but it is a long way to the poles to gather ice, what we have here is people wanting their own local supply of ice. If they keep going the way they are they just might get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
What I note is the IPCC haven't noted the advances in coping with their perceived problems just reinteration of the problem, the never ending problem
Personaly I up for a round of shoot the messenger
I would rather focus on the relationship that changing weather patterns have on humans, animals, birds, insects, and all the critters of land, sea and air.
Ever wonder why people build where the forest burns every year? Or in a flood zone? Or a tornado alley? They know its coming, yet the build there any way.
I can say that my house is built in a place that could potentially burn in a forest fire. I wouldn't have it any other way . I am willing to pay the risk in insurance costs . What I would not do is beg the Federal government to pay to rebuild my home in the event of a disaster .
Good luck with the insurance company replacing your home and the stuff in it.
But I hope you and yours don't have to go through it to be honest.
Thanks . I had a house fire related to my fireplace. The insurance company gave me no issues on replacement costs. Nor did they give me issues for damages related to Sandy .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Weather patterns have existed and have been changing before the first forms of life existed on this planet... and they will be changing eons after the human race has died off... most likely as a result of lowest common denominator interbreeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes been there done that and wouldn't want to do it again, therefore I now live in a house that would take a bulldozer to damage it and I no long live in a area where a serious fire could start. Once I was young and stupid but no more.Today we have fire weather, high winds, higher than average temperatures, school holidays all factors that are high riskQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Wait.. the next crisis celeb will be earthquakes are caused by taking too many potatoes out of the ground. Dreamed up By the save the spud federation.
That can only happen where the potato is native so good luck with stopping the consumption of spuds. If you do you will solve two crises, Earthquakes and Obesity
My personal theory is the earthquakes are caused by obese people and therefore we need immediate rationing. One spud a day, meat one day a week, pork only once a month and we must stop murdering the ubicuitous chicken before it attains maturity
My house has been in tornado alley for over 60 years and I've been in it over 40, so far it's never been hit by a tornado.
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