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Nice yet unrealistic try, but the LA Times is not owned by the Kochs yet and no one can (rationally) accuse NBC or Politico of being "right wing media." For a guy who used to be so skeptical about government you sure have become a true believer.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
"I, on the other hand, and willing to let things play out. Obamacare hasn't been implemented yet.. AFTER it is, if it's the disaster you say, we'll ALL know it. "
Sounds like the Bush/Cheney plan for the Iraq war, ex.
Here's another way it's playing out so far...
Hundreds in government had advance word of Medicare action at heart of trading-spike probe
Is anyone minding the store? Anyone, anyone?
They probably got furloughed.
Hello tal:
Hee, hee.Quote:
They probably got furloughed.
Excon
So inside info, i.e. an illegal, unfair advantage in the market, for HHS workers is a joke to you?
Oh the irony...
I guess that's one plus for Obamacare, maybe it'll send of those old entrenched coots home.Quote:
Obamacare? We were just leaving …
Dozens of lawmakers and aides are so afraid that their health insurance premiums will skyrocket next year thanks to Obamacare that they are thinking about retiring early or just quitting.
The fear: Government-subsidized premiums will disappear at the end of the year under a provision in the health care law that nudges aides and lawmakers onto the government health care exchanges, which could make their benefits exorbitantly expensive.
Democratic and Republican leaders are taking the issue seriously, but first they need more specifics from the Office of Personnel Management on how the new rule should take effect — a decision that Capitol Hill sources expect by fall, at the latest. The administration has clammed up in advance of a ruling, sources on both sides of the aisle said.
If the issue isn’t resolved, and massive numbers of lawmakers and aides bolt, many on Capitol Hill fear it could lead to a brain drain just as Congress tackles a slew of weighty issues — like fights over the Tax Code and immigration reform.
The problem is far more acute in the House, where lawmakers and aides are generally younger and less wealthy. Sources said several aides have already given lawmakers notice that they’ll be leaving over concerns about Obamacare. Republican and Democratic lawmakers said the chatter about retiring now, to remain on the current health care plan, is constant.
(Also on POLITICO: Poll finds low Obamacare support)
Rep. John Larson, a Connecticut Democrat in leadership when the law passed, said he thinks the problem will be resolved.
“If not, I think we should begin an immediate amicus brief to say, ‘Listen this is simply not fair to these employees,’” Larson told POLITICO. “They are federal employees.”
Republicans, never a fan of Democratic health care reform, are more vocal about the potential adverse effects of the provision.
“It’s a reality,” said Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas). “This is the law. … It’s going to hinder our ability with retention of members, it’s going to hinder our ability for members to take care of their families.” He said his fellow lawmakers are having “quiet conversations” about the threat.
Read more: Obamacare? We were just leaving
Knowing that the Dems would be slaughtered in the 2014 elections if the implementation of the employer mandate went in effect this fall as planned , the emperor has decreed that employers will not have to comply until After the 2014 election.
Obama Administration Delays Health Care Law Employer Penalty Until 2015 | TIME.comQuote:
Republican former Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Holtz-Eakin called the move “deviously brilliant,” by removing a potential electoral impediment from in front of congressional Democrats before the midterms.
“Democrats no longer face the immediate specter of running against the fallout from a heavy regulatory imposition on employers across the land,” Holtz-Eakin wrote. “Explaining away the mandate was going to be a big political lift; having the White House airbrush it from the landscape is way better.”
Interesting system you have where legislation can be altered by decree
That's because we have an emperor... but I'm guessing that somewhere in the 2000 pages of cr@p sandwich that is the Obamacare law,there is a provisions that gives the executive broad powers of interpretation and implementation. Not to worry ,without reading the law Congress passed it ,the emperor signed it ,and SCOTUS said it was cool to redefine a penalty as just another tax.
But it is a tax the star chamber said so it is a tax on everyone who doesn't have insurance. Here we are more open about this, if you don't have insurance the ATO our equivalent of the IRS will collect a levy from you as part of your tax bill. It doesn't matter whether you have insurance, or not, you will still get care but don't need an operation any time soon because the queue forms on the right for anything but life threatening
Hello again,
Look! It's Obamacare...
Here is the deal.. the personal mandate has not been extended . But the Dems have come under pressure from business to extend the mandate that applies to businesses . The Dems are concerned about campaign contributions drying up from business... thus the extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If I hear you correctly partisanship has been demonstrated in an extradinary way. The democrats are buying the support of their political opposition or maybe not. Extraordinarily even handed but undemocratic, if you will pardon thye punQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That would assume that the Dems aren't eyeball deep in the cronyism .That of course would be a false assumption despite their rhetoric.Quote:
The democrats are buying the support of their political opposition
The horrible effects of Obamacare are being demonstrated in the June jobs report. 195,000 payroll jobs were added , while the unemployment rate stayed at 7.6% .This is being touted as a good report.
But if you look at it a little closer the real story emerges. First ;if we continue to increase jobs at a rate of 200,000 or less then the unemployment rate will remain at or near 7.6% .
What is really scary about the report is that almost ALL of the jobs created were part time work. The full time work force actually shrunk. So far this year the number of part time jobs has climbed by 557,000.By contrast, the number of full time U.S. workers fell by 240,000 in June.
College graduates continue to get hammered . 45% of recent graduates have jobs that do not require college degrees... and those are the lucky ones who have jobs. The unemployment rate for 18- 29-year olds is 16.1%... and it would be higher if the 1.7 million who have dropped out of the labor force entirely were counted .
So what happened ? Didn't stimulus work ? Didn't the Feds QE efforts do the job ? No!. and to add salt to the wound ,Obamacare ;specifically the employer mandate that requires businesses with 50 or more full time employees to offer health insurance to employees ,or pay a $2,000 penalty per worker,encourages the creation of part time work over the creation of full time . The law also defines a full time job as 30 hours a week.
Tuesday the Obots announced they were postponing this employer mandate until after the 2014 midterm elections in the hope that will encourage more full time hiring; and prevent the Dems from taking a political hit for this disastrous law. But thousands of businesses, especially in retail and fast food, have already started to cap employment for many workers at 30 hours.They know this reprieve is for only one year. So if the Obots really want to change this dynamic ,they would introduce legislation to repeal the employer mandate.
Hey Tom I hear a whole lot of whinging here, we have seen figures like this for a long time it's the new millennium and in the new millennium employment isn't going to be the way it was, you need to get used to it because this is the damage which your wonderful job creator 1% did to the economy when they exported the jobs to China and India, to Mexico and who knows where. This is the result of all the free trade B/S you have swallowed and we are there right along with you except we are maybe twenty years ahead on the other side of reconstruction. The stimulus only stopped you from sinking further. You have to face the fact that you have an education industry that is training people for jobs that may never be there, that is last century's dream. Suddenly someone realised that the cash cow is dry. Structurally you have a lot of work to do and it entails change, it is a an aweful scary word because you cannot define the world of the future
So when did the president get to unilaterally decide which laws or parts thereof to implement?
Hello again, tom:
Nahhh... It's sequestration.. You remember that piece of garbage you forced down our throats...Quote:
the horrible effects of Obamacare are being demonstrated in the June jobs report.
Excon
Hello again, Steve:
If you believe a cop on the street has the authority to let a speeder go, then the TOP COP in the land can do the same thing.Quote:
So when did the president get to unilaterally decide which laws or parts thereof to implement?
Excon
Stop ignoring the obvious, It's the businesses that follow the broken business model of capitalism, pursuing cheap expendable workers with low wages that are affected the most. Of course righty's blame government for the actions of those businesses that want to extract MO" MONEY from the backs of their workers, and give those same people a free pass for greedy behavior.
You guys want Obamacare to fail, and go back to the old ways of corporate gouging that leads to high profits, and low wages, and tight job market. Like I say a broken business model, so stop blaming government for what the 1% is doing to the economy.
And if it were Bush?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
A) Ask the individuals that will still be affected by the individual mandate here in a shirt while.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
B) Your guys ARE the 1 percent.
C) I don't want government involved in my health care, they f*** everything up. The train wreck that is the implementation of Obamacare should be your first clue, but instead of stopping the train you guys insist on heading right to derailment and taking everyone with you.
As opposed to us doing NOTHING, or going back to the old ways none of us could afford? That's really your solution?
First time I've heard the word sequestration in weeks since the fraud of the panic over it has subsided, and we learned it wasn't the end of the world for government to have to live on a set budget like the rest of the people. But what government budgets have to do with government polices that encourage part time employment over full time is not clear .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
And, then ask him again after he gets sick.Quote:
Ask the individuals that will still be affected by the individual mandate here in a shirt while.
Excon
Hello again, tom:
When you LIKE the result, it's government on a budget.. When it lays off military contractors, as it's about to do, sequestration is Obama's idea.Quote:
first time I've heard the word sequestration in weeks since the fraud of the panic over it has subsided,
I understand. Perfectly.
Excon
Its not government policies that are affecting business. It's the business policies that makes part time an alternative to full time. Anything not to raise wages on minimum wage workers, and keep them working poor and let the states and local governments bear the cost.
Go ahead you conservatives keep backing the rich taking from the poor, for profit. Maybe the ones who need to opt for the state exchanges are employers, since they have always touted benefits in lieu of wages as a bargaining chip, but now balk about delivering benefits, without wage increases and going for less hours.
To be clear though that the latest accommodation to business crying about REPORTING issues is an easy fix they don't want to do because they would have to reveal interest on withholding payroll taxes and the fees they collect from employees with electronic direct deposit an arrangement with big banks to extract loot from low wage employees that's in court as we speak.
Pa. McDonald's franchise sued over debit card pay plan to offer paper checks, direct deposit - Washington Post
Cry me a river about the broken business model you capitalist refuse to fix.
Naahh ;all over the country businesses are making the call to either ;reduce staffing to under 50 employees ,hire part timers and temps to cover their workforce needs ,or absorb the costs of the mandates and government burdensome regulations and risk going out of business as a result. How longer are you going to carry water for these fools who are working with outdated and flawed 1930s models of economics?Quote:
It's the business policies that makes part time an alternative to full time
What's the 2013 model?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
All I see is the left doing things and the right doing things that look like they are working against each other but really if you look at the overview they are working hand in hand. 1 example the right passed NAFTA. Now the right is complaining about the problem of being over run with illegals that will vote for Obama but who set the stage!
How much closer will we be to a single payer system in 2014?
Wasn't that really the plan all along?
Nancy tried to tell us.
Instead of paying for it just in additional taxes, we will pay for it in additional taxes and higher premiums for our existing coverage.
Won't those folks who work for companies that don't offer healthcare coverage already have coverage through the exchanges if (big if) and when employer mandated coverage takes effect in 2015? Will employers try to lure them back? Why would the employers want to do that? Will they be required to pay the penalty for an employee who by then will already have insurance via an exchange?
Joe Biden told obama that this was a big f'in deal back when it was passed. And Joe knows this latest move was also a big (totally planned) deal too.
The military was responsibly cutting it's budget long before the sequester kicked in . You see ;the military cuts are the only ones the left apporoves of.. As you will recall ,I have often said there was room for military cuts . Like ALL the Federal Government bureaucracies ,there is plenty of fat to trim.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The new immigration bill is loaded with pork for military contractors. None of this impacts already poor people, the jobless or those kids you make poor women have. All this while you make health insurance unavailable for the folks you lay off, and cut hours.
It's your side's plan ;and for that matter ,so is the immigration bill.
That's the problem the last 5 years, we come up with plans, and you guys have none that make sense except to very rich guy. Obstruct, repeal, and no plan is the right wing plan. Then you follow it up with see how bad their plan is.
Your side is fooling no one.
We haven't given you a plan for immigration ? Yes we did . As for health care... all it needed was tweeking ,not an overhaul .Why would you think we would do anything to assist you destroy the health care system?. and destroy it you are well on your way of mission accomplished .
You think I don't see through this "delay " ? smearcase just told you exactly what this is about . Employers have been given a carte blanche by YOUR President to drop employees ,penalty free ,and force them onto these exchanges (remember YOUR President did not makes the same exception for the individual mandate ).
Now you will blame employers for making a sound business decision ;,and give YOUR President a pass for the destruction of the American health care system ,in their goal of creating a top down single payer socialist system .I will proudly support obstruct and repeal .
You're mad
Your side is a real card, giving health insurance to low income working poor men, woman, elderly, and children is destroying the American health care system? Passing health care costs to poor and elderly with a voucher isn't? Defunding "meals on wheels" is good for the economy?
Yeah really great ideas. Have you asked low income working poor men, woman, elderly, and children, what they think of your plan? Or do you proudly obstruct and repeal them too?
You guys whine and moan about state involvement in a woman's "health" care and just about every other aspect of our lives in one breath then demand it in the next. Make up your minds, but leave me out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
P. S. More evidence of the coming train wreck, subsidies are going on the honor system. What could go wrong?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ud-yuval-levin
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