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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Anecdotal evidence from me that includes a lesbian sil's adoption of a male baby is that gays as parents has no influence on the children's sexual orientation. You are born gay or straight and don't veer from either course.

I really don't know how that's relevant to anything I've said.

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Originally Posted by cdad

I think I prefer this video instead ;)

I Like Guns - Steve Lee - YouTube

Reason TV offered a response... not the best it makes the point.

“It Takes a Talking A$$"

This is absolutely Nuts!

The details of the armory that the Newtown shooter possessed is beyond astounding.
What possible reason could he have for possessing the number of high load magazines and and the quantity of ammunition?

Newtown shooting details revealed in newly released documents - CNN.com

Why didn't the alarm bells go off somewhere? Possessing a weapon is one thing and being able to hold a small war is another. This is beyond the right to bear arms

My question is why the mom could get all those guns when she knew she had a troubled person in the house. Shouldn't a background check have revealed that when she bought her first gun?

Hello again, clete:

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This is absolutely Nuts!

They're not happy unless EVERYONE is capable of maximum mayhem.

It IS nuts.

Excon

Shows the limits of backround checks .there would be no reason to deny her a purchase.

Shouldn't that be changed?

How ? Deny her a right because she has a sick child ?

Hello again,

Seems like it's time for more of excon's wisdom...

According to you, all of us exconvicts belong to a club where we AUTOMATICALLY know where to buy illegal guns on the street... If that sounds stupid, it's because it IS.

Look, I'm SURE you won't believe me (because I'm a member of the club), but there are SOME people out there who still think... This weekend, I can attend a gun show, and buy ANY gun I wish from the private sellers wandering around there. That would be ANY gun and as many of 'em as I want. Now, I'm a fairly benign exconvict.. I ain't going to hurt you. But, there's SOME out there who you really DON'T want to be able to buy guns.. Really. You DON'T want them to have guns..

If there was a universal background check I couldn't buy a gun. Contrary to your assertion, I have NO IDEA where I could buy one off the street. I DO know enough to KNOW that I'd get my white a$$ KILLED if I wandered around the hood trying to buy a gun. They're not going to believe that I'm a member...

Beyond that, your refusal to pass a law that would PREVENT people like me from getting guns, is one of the MOST criminal FRIENDLY positions I've seen the right wing take. It's positively bleeding heart stuff.

excon

Again ;how would a universal national backround check prevent Lanza's mom from buying the arsenal she owned ?

Hello again, tom:

I appreciate your thinking that I could SOLVE the problem.. Sorry. I can't. But, preventing people like me from getting guns would go a long way towards SOLVING it.

Look. I'm just learning about this straw man thing people use, and I think you just did that. Do you believe, that since we CAN'T stop all murders, we shouldn't try?? It sure LOOKS that way. How come that sounds LIBERAL??

excon

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Originally Posted by paraclete

This is absolutely Nuts!

The details of the armory that the Newtown shooter possessed is beyond astounding.
What possible reason could he have for possessing the number of high load magazines and and the quantity of ammunition?

Newtown shooting details revealed in newly released documents - CNN.com

Why didn't the alarm bells go off somewhere? Possessing a weapon is one thing and being able to hold a small war is another. This is beyond the right to bear arms

4 guns and 1600 rounds is an armory? Dude, my dad easily has that tripled in weapons and probably 10 times that in ammo plus loading equipment... he's never shot anyone.

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again ;how would a universal national backround check prevent Lanza's mom from buying the arsenal she owned ?

If she disclosed because she was asked if she lived with a mentally challenged person then she would be denied. You know like doctors use to ask if there is a gun in the house? Oh that's right, that's a violation of privacy.

How about a more comprehensive background check? And if you righties weren't so scared of your own government, or losing YOUR own rights, we could do better than arm the crazies, and criminals.

You just keep listening to Wayne, and do nothing, and help him make his loot.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

4 guns and 1600 rounds is an armory? Dude, my dad easily has that tripled in weapons and probably 10 times that in ammo plus loading equipment...he's never shot anyone.

Is you dad a loony? Does he live with any? Just because your dad is a responsible citizen, that's doesn't mean everyone is. This isn't about the good guys, its about the bad guys. They are who we should watch and limit.

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If she disclosed because she was asked if she lived with a mentally challenged person then she would be denied. You know like doctors use to ask if there is a gun in the house? Oh thats right, thats a violation of privacy.

How about a more comprehensive background check? And if you righties weren't so scared of your own government, or losing YOUR own rights, we could do better than arm the crazies, and criminals.

You just keep listening to Wayne, and do nothing, and help him make his loot.

Is you dad a loony? Does he live with any? Just because your dad is a responsible citizen, thats doesn't mean everyone is. This isn't about the good guys, its about the bad guys. They are who we should watch and limit.

I was responding to Clete's apparent shock at the 'armory' which in itself was designed to shock others. Sorry, but 4 guns and 1600 spare rounds isn't even close to an 'armory'.

I can't explain the mom, but that's at the heart of what I've been saying is the problem - the culture your side has left us with. No amount of background checks is going to fix the family or restore respect for human life. This is what you guys wanted and these are the consequences, stop hollering at us for the havoc you've wreaked on society.

Lets tweak the system and maybe that will give the family a chance to fix itself. That's better than more kids being massacred.

Or would you rather throw rocks?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Lets tweak the system and maybe that will give the family a chance to fix itself. Thats better than more kids being massacred.

Or would you rather throw rocks?

When it comes to the breakdown of the family and millions of abortions I'd rather throw rocks, maybe it would knock some sense into libs.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I was responding to Clete's apparent shock at the 'armory' which in itself was designed to shock others. Sorry, but 4 guns and 1600 spare rounds isn't even close to an 'armory'.

That plus the other weapons he amassed in his basement constitute an armory for a mentally ill person. Would you want him and all his weapons in YOUR basement? Would you call it an armory then?

I wouldn't call it an armory period and feel no need to rehash the mental issue.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

feel no need to rehash the mental issue.

I wasn't trying to. I was talking about Adam Lanza living in your basement or guest bedroom (if you are on a slab) with all his weaponry.

Hello again,

It's a straw man (which I'm LOVING) to say that none of these proposed regulations would have prevented Sandy Hook.. You say that, because you CAN'T say that it won't prevent the NEXT Sandyhook, and THAT'S the discussion to have.

excon

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Hello again,

It's a straw man (which I'm LOVING) to say that none of these proposed regulations would have prevented Sandy Hook.. You say that, because you CAN'T say that it won't prevent the NEXT Sandyhook, and THAT'S the discussion to have.

excon

Should we start a thread on this issue? Im sure all of us are ripe with opinions on how to change the world :)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I wasn't trying to. I was talking about Adam Lanza living in your basement or guest bedroom (if you are on a slab) with all his weaponry.

MY weaponry would not be readily available to an Adam Lanza.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

MY weaponry would not be readily available to an Adam Lanza.

Easy to say in retrospect. If he were your son and you were trying to connect with him and knew guns were a valid connector, then what?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Easy to say in retrospect. If he were your son and you were trying to connect with him and knew guns were a valid connector, then what?

Yes, it was easy to say.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Easy to say in retrospect. If he were your son and you were trying to connect with him and knew guns were a valid connector, then what?

They have paintball guns that in some cases look very much like the real thing. They can be fun also.

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Originally Posted by cdad

They have paintball guns that in some cases look very much like the real thing. They can be fun also.

I don't think "fun" was a word in Adam's vocabulary.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I don't think "fun" was a word in Adam's vocabulary.

Sorry, I didn't know that you knew him personally.

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Originally Posted by cdad

Sorry, I didnt know that you knew him personally.

It is an autism/Aspie thing. That world I am very familiar with.

To my point that this culture, the one the left has imposed on us, is the problem...

You nurture a culture of death and devaluing human life and what do you expect?

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You nurture a culture of death and devaluing human life and what do you expect?

Do you have actual stats of viable babies born alive during abortions and then allowed to die?

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Originally Posted by cdad

They have paintball guns that in some cases look very much like the real thing. They can be fun also.

Then swap all your guns for paint ball guns, they get the message across

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You nurture a culture of death and devaluing human life and what do you expect?

That was the old way, but that has been rejected by the citizens and a new culture of inclusion has started to emerge to work to correct the mistakes of the past, and build on he future. All citizens will have equal value and an equal voice whether they can afford to buy influence or not. Its happening now and will continue until the job is done and we all have a fair share for our labors.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do you have actual stats of viable babies born alive during abortions and then allowed to die?

They don't like stats for those types of things. But some have come forward to reveal what has been going on.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | Abortionist admits: babies sometimes born alive and left 'wiggling around in the toilet'

"Baby Hope" Born Alive During Abortion

FactCheck.org : Obama and 'Infanticide'

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Then swap all your guns for paint ball guns, they get the message across

What message would that be? I have connected with my children on many levels. I don't need to trade anything.

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Originally Posted by cdad

What message would that be? I have connected with my children on many levels. I dont need to trade anything.

Bang! You're dead

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Originally Posted by paraclete

bang! you're dead

Nah, people rarely die from paintball. It does happen in some cases when people don't follow the safety rules but for the most part its safe.

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Originally Posted by cdad

Nah, people rarely die from paintball. It does happen in some cases when people dont follow the safety rules but for the most part its safe.

That's the idea, it conveys the message with less deaths

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do you have actual stats of viable babies born alive during abortions and then allowed to die?

No, one is enough.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No, one is enough.

There were 20 allowed to die in Sandy Hook.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

That was the old way, but that has been rejected by the citizens and a new culture of inclusion has started to emerge to work to correct the mistakes of the past, and build on he future. All citizens will have equal value and an equal voice whether they can afford to buy influence or not. Its happening now and will continue until the job is done and we all have a fair share for our labors.

Tal, in a botched abortion is there a point when the doctor should cease being the killer and start being the healer?