No he's doing the right thing and he's unravelling the Obama lies thread by thread.
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No he's doing the right thing and he's unravelling the Obama lies thread by thread.
And yet Obama continues to lie. At a fundraiser last night he he claimed Al Qaeda was "on its heels" - a month after Al Qaeda attacked the Benghazi embassy and spontaneously killed our ambassador. In fact AQ attacked at least 4 of our embassies in September.
CBS News Foreign Correspondent Lara Logan, a victim of sexual assault in the Arab Spring, takes issue with the lie...
All Obama needs now is the Bush "Mission Accomplished" banner to tote with him everywhere.Quote:
Eleven years later, “they” still hate us, now more than ever, Logan told the crowd. The Taliban and al-Qaida have not been vanquished, she added. They’re coming back.
“I chose this subject because, one, I can’t stand, that there is a major lie being propagated . . .” Logan declared in her native South African accent.
The lie is that America’s military might has tamed the Taliban.
There is this narrative coming out of Washington for the last two years,” Logan said. It is driven in part by “Taliban apologists,” who claim “they are just the poor moderate, gentler, kinder Taliban,” she added sarcastically. “It’s such nonsense!”
Logan stepped way out of the “objective,” journalistic role. The audience was riveted as she told of plowing through reams of documents, and interviewing John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan; Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and a Taliban commander trained by al-Qaida. The Taliban and al-Qaida are teaming up and recruiting new terrorists to do us deadly harm, she reports.
She made a passionate case that our government is downplaying the strength of our enemies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as a rationale of getting us out of the longest war. We have been lulled into believing that the perils are in the past: “You’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight. In your arrogance, you think you write the script.”
Agreed. American foreign policy will continuously create more terrorists.
Like advocating for women's rights? That sure does irritate the Islamists.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Taliban gunmen shoot 14-year-old girl activist
Yes that's exactly what I was referring to. (oh boy... some people... )
What, Muslim girls should be shot instead of going to school?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And with Romney you are going to do more of it, working to eliminate the enemy with failed techniques. The best thing the US has done is stay out of Syria, let the arabs work it out for themselves, there are enough helpers standing on the sidelines without the US, enough middle powers willing to test their arms without the US. You don't need a proxy fight between the US and Iran in Syria
All due respect to Miss Logan, but she and the right wing wouldn't know the difference between the Taliban, Al Quaida, an Afghan, a Somali, Tunisian or Egyptian. That's why its best to stay out of the internal affairs of nations and whatever civil wars they are engaged in.
What's BS is thinking you know what's best for them. They obviously don't agree. Guess we didn't learn from the Shah of Iran and trying to be a colonial master. Or Britain and the Chinese (Africa, Middle East), just to name a few. Concentrate just on the rock throwers and let the business men pay for their own army.
Surprised no one has ever connected the dots from the bad name of America to the dealings of BIG business exploits abroad. They can't tell the guys with bombs from the guys with suits they work for and protect.
So you're OK with shooting a 14 year old girl because she wants an education? Sorry dude, but I can recognize terrorism and oppression and I'm not going to appease or excuse it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
FYI, Al-Qaida making comeback in Iraq, officials say
Yep, got 'em on their heels all right Mr. President. Darn shame the news just won't cooperate with his lies lately.Quote:
BAGHDAD (AP) — Al-Qaida is rebuilding in Iraq and has set up training camps for insurgents in the nation's western deserts as the extremist group seizes on regional instability and government security failures to regain strength, officials say.
Iraq has seen a jump in al-Qaida attacks over the last 10 weeks, and officials believe most of the fighters are former prisoners who have either escaped from jail or were released by Iraqi authorities for lack of evidence after the U.S. military withdrawal last December. Many are said to be Saudi or from Sunni-dominated Gulf states.
During the war and its aftermath, U.S. forces, joined by allied Sunni groups and later by Iraqi counterterror forces, managed to beat back al-Qaida's Iraqi branch.
But now, Iraqi and U.S. officials say, the insurgent group has more than doubled in numbers from a year ago — from about 1,000 to 2,500 fighters. And it is carrying out an average of 140 attacks each week across Iraq, up from 75 attacks each week earlier this year, according to Pentagon data.
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Then you should go over there and do something yourself and not send my kids to do it for you (YES I have kids over there!! ). Further and more to the point, its up to them to govern there own country and if the people are so terrified of what they are being oppressed by, then its them that should change it, however outrageous, immoral,or dangerous it appears to others.
I applaud your compassion and will agree it's a travesty what goes on in other countries, but sending the army in, uninvited, to stop what goes on in other countries has seldom works. It causes a lot more harm than good.
This girl was a celebrity in her own land and a vocal enemy of the Taliban, this wasn't just a shooting of a child but a political act carried out against an enemy, no different to the assassination of Bhutto..
To consider interferring is nonsense and shows an immature mentality. Emotional claptrap. There is a bigger issue in Pakistan than female education, to which there are no barriers, and it has to do with the assassinations carried out every other day by the US. Let those who call for the stopping of acts such as the attack on this girl also call for the stopping of drone attacks. It is education, not arms, that will eventually win in Pakistan
I didn't send your kids. I would assume they volunteered.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes they did, and have served admirably, but Bin Laden is dead, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Time to come home!
?? You really think that is the Obama Doctrine ? Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?Quote:
The best thing the US has done is stay out of Syria, let the arabs work it out for themselves
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't think he WAS a target.. If so, they're slacking off.. He was killed by smoke inhalation... I don't think that's the way Alquaida does their hits..
excon
You still don't know why he was a target? He was a target because he was helping the enemies of Al Qaeda, the enemies of Islamic fundamentalism and he was a traget because of inadequate securityQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Seriously who cares what Obama doctrine is or Romney doctrine for that matter. Stay out of other peoples countries and that isn't just confined to the middle east. Stay out of mine.
Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit ListQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
That article showed no proof whatsoever - did you read it and the source it links to?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, tom:
I don't like Al Quaida... But, I don't underestimate them. They don't KILL a target by setting fire to a building and HOPE he breathes too much smoke to continue living...
That AIN'T how terrorism operates... They have GUNS. They have rocket propelled GRENADES. They have IED'S. They don't CARE how many people they kill as collateral damage...
Nahhh, you'll NEVER convince me he was a target.
excon
CNN, who got into the Benghazi compound 3 days after the attack and long before the FBI, was the source as reported in the article.
Their source? His journal, recovered from the compound. Any questions?Quote:
American intelligence officials insist that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was not pre-planned, but a new CNN report says that Ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed concerns about the safety of the mission in the months before his death. According to "a source familiar with his thinking," Stevens was worried about the growing threat of al-Qaeda and other extremists in Libya and even mentioned that he was on a terrorist "hit list."
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Stevens was worried about the growing threat of al-Qaeda and other extremists in Libya and even mentioned that he was on a terrorist "hit list."
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Just one.
How many American officials AREN'T on an Al Quaida hit list?
Excon
They don't say anything about that in that article.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You're the one that said he wasn't targeted. Obviously and unfortunately he proved his fears right.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, SteveQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well, I'll leave you to your delusions that, as an Al Quaida target, he was killed with HOPE.
excon
Did I say the article referenced the journal? No, I was stating a fact. Feel free to dispute that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Did they SHOOT him? Did they BOMB him? Nahhh, they set fire to the building, and HOPED he'd breath enough smoke and die. That is assuming they even knew he was there.
Now, if it was me, and I was running the operation targeting the ambassador, he'd have more holes him than a loaf of Swiss cheese... But, that's just me...
If we were to believe YOUR account, we'd have to believe that Al Quaida terrorists FORGOT how to DO terrorism. I don't BELIEVE that.
excon
He was in a fortified room with two other guys, classic move if you can't get in, smoke 'em out. But go ahead, keep downplaying it while calling me delusional.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know.. I've seen 'em plant IED's that kill lots of people and blow big trucks way up into the air.. Seems to ME, that if they were TARGETING someone, they'd bring one of those. But, all THESE Keystone Terrorists brought, was their Bic lighter...
Who's downplaying it? It was a terrorist attack. I said that LONG before Obama did. But, clearly, it was an attack on a BUILDING, and they had NO IDEA who was inside.
excon
Are you really telling us the guys who planned and brought down the Twin Towers and killed thousands botched a simple one story job?
I think I will wait for facts instead of hollering points.
You guys don't read much do you? Here you go then...
I doubt the Keystone Cops could manage "precise mortar fire." But go ahead, keep downplaying it - the death of one ambassador and 3 others is no biggie, right?Quote:
(WASHINGTON) -- The size and "lethality" of the attack on the U.S. consulate compound in Benghazi, Libya, that left Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead was "unprecedented," according to a senior State Department official.
Senior State Department officials Tuesday gave the most detailed account to-date of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Sept. 11, which killed Ambassador Stevens and three other diplomats. One official said the nature of the assault was unparalleled in recent history.
"The lethality and number of armed people is unprecedented," one of the officials said. "There was no attack anywhere in Libya -- Tripoli or Benghazi -- like this, So it is unprecedented and would be very, very hard to find a precedent like that in recent diplomatic history."
Though the timeline of events outlined was similar to the last official account of the incident, which was given on Sept. 12, some stark differences and new details were revealed.
The biggest difference was a clear statement that there were no protests before the attack. Also it was revealed that former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods died from a mortar attack and that officials still do not know how Stevens, who was suffering from severe smoke inhalation, made it from the compound to the hospital.
The officials gave reporters a vivid narrative of the events of the night, painting a picture of exactly what the compound looked like.
There were four buildings in the main compound, according to the State Department's narrative: The barracks where the local guards were housed; Building C, which is the main building that contained Stevens' residence; Building B, a building on the compound; and the TOC (Tactical Operations Center) that served as the main security and communications center for the compound.
The area of the compound was about the size of a football field, with a nine-foot-high wall, topped by three feet of barbed wire.
On Sept. 11, Stevens did not leave the compound because of security fears due to the 9/11 anniversary. He had arrived in Benghazi the day before with five guards in total. Two additional Diplomatic Security agents from Tripoli were with him in addition to the three agents normally detailed to the compound.
Though some administration officials had initially said that the attack grew out of protests over an anti-Muslim film, the senior State Department official told reporters today that "nothing was out of the ordinary" on the night of the attack.
At 8:30 p.m. the ambassador said goodnight to a visiting Turkish diplomat outside the compound and the streets were empty. But at 9:40 p.m. noises, gunfire and an explosion were heard by the agents located in the TOC and Building B.
The agent in the TOC looked at one of the camera feeds monitoring the perimeter and saw a large group of armed men entering the compound. Asked about the initial reports of the protests, the official said that while "others" in the administration may have said there were protests, the State Department did not.
"That was not our conclusion," the official said. "I'm not saying that we had a conclusion."
This starts a series of events during which Stevens, Information Specialist Sean Smith and the agent locked themselves in a safe area in Building C. The area is set aside from the rest of the building by a metal grille with several locks and contained a small room with water and medical supplies.
From the safe haven room where Stevens, Smith and the agent were hiding they could see the men roaming throughout the house, trying to open grates, looking for them.
When the men didn't find anyone, they poured diesel fuel all over the rooms and furniture, setting the house on fire. As black smoke, diesel fumes and fumes from the burning furniture filled up the safe haven, the three tried to get to the bathroom area where there was a small window to open it for air, which did not help.
At this point, the official said, the security officer, Smith and the ambassador were on the ground gasping for air and suffering from "severe" smoke inhalation and decided to take their chances and get out of the safe haven and building.
The security agent led the way, but when he got outside he realized that neither Smith nor the ambassador had made it after him.
He went back in several times to find them, but eventually had to leave because he was overcome by the strong smoke. He climbed to a safe area outside of the building and radioed for help. Meanwhile the other agents in the compound had gone to Building B to get helmets, body armor and their "long guns." They headed back, but after encountering a large group of armed men, they decided to head back to Building B to barricade themselves, and the two agents in the TOC did the same.
The attackers attempted to enter both buildings, but failed.
After the agent in Building C's unsuccessful attempt to find his colleagues he radioed to the other four that building C was on fire. This was the first time they realized the building was on fire.
A quick reaction security team of six agents from the building roughly a mile away, known as the "annex," arrived at the compound with 16 members of the local Libyan militia, the 17th of February Brigade.
They set up a perimeter around Building C, where Stevens and Smith were still inside, which allowed the two agents to take over the task of looking for Stevens and Smith.
Under heavy, thick black smoke the agents took turns looking for the missing diplomats, feeling their way around on their hands and knees. They finally found Smith dead, and pulled him out, but did not find Stevens.
Outnumbered by "an unbelievable amount of bad guys" in the compound the militia fighters told the security team they had to evacuate, according to the State Department official.
"We've got to leave, we can't hold the perimeter," the official said the militia told the team.
The security team then loaded up into an armored vehicle and headed slowly to the annex building. They took heavy fire as they emerged from the compound's main gate and turned back twice upon encountering crowds and small groups of armed men.
They came upon a group of armed men in an adjacent compound who motioned them to turn inside. The official said the agents "smelled a rat and stepped on it," taking heavy fire at short range, which damaged the armored vehicle. Despite two flat tires, they kept moving, and when they were stopped again, this time by traffic, the team careened over a median and drove against traffic until they reached the annex.
But the annex was not safe either, and began to come under intermittent AK-47 and RPG fire for the next several hours.
By that time a team of security reinforcements had arrived at the annex in Benghazi from the U.S. embassy in Tripoli aboard a chartered aircraft to help with the fight.
At 4 a.m., the annex took "precise" mortar fire with some of the rounds landing on the roof, immediately killing Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods and severely wounding another security officer, official said.
At this point the U.S. team was outmatched and a decision was made that they would have to evacuate the annex, the official said. The next hours were spent securing the annex and moving everyone to the airport in Benghazi, where they were evacuated on two flights back to Tripoli.
Stevens was not seen by the security team again until his body was delivered to the airport, officials said, and they still do not know how he reached the Libyan hospital where attempts were made to treat him.
Officials said that, in fact, they were informed that Stevens was at the hospital only after doctors found his cell phone and began phoning people on his recent call list.
Copyright 2012 ABC News Radio
Who says that? You? That's disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I can't believe what I'm reading here . It was a botched attack because he was killed allegedly from smoke from the burning building he was surrounded in ;instead of from a bomb or gun shot ?
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Well that isn't happening .
http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-us-sen...131927741.html
No one is saying that Tom the criticism is how YOU guys politicize a tragedy. At least let the real investigators do their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Still challenged by sarcasm, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The politicization came when the administration pushed the lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Maybe the intention wasn't to kill him but send the US a message, something along the lines of we can take out your embassies any time, go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Who knows what is the mind of extremists, or in the mind of governments
You have been drinking what Ex has been. The people on the ground who know what they are talking about told of precision mortar rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
That's what you say when someone catches you putting words into someone's mouth and setting up a strawman. A weak argument all 'round.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I still can't believe you said that; incredibly disrespectful.
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