Ask Me Help Desk - Voter ID/Suppression

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Let me introduce you to all the fixed-income homebound and bedbound people I took library books to since 1993.

I refer you to comments # 12,17 and especially 18 .

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UOCAVA voters and voters affected by the Voting Accessibility for Elderly and Handicapped Act are exempt.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That have no ID?

Usually no state ID or driver's license. No valid picture ID. They had library cards, though :D (often because we went to their homes and their bedsides and had them fill out the correct paperwork to get a card).

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UOCAVA voters and voters affected by the Voting Accessibility for Elderly and Handicapped Act are exempt.

And these people will know this how?

Well if the Dems are smart ,and they think these people are their constuency ,then they will make sure they are informed . I've worked the elections on and off for years now. Both parties are very active in get out the vote activities.

In Texas you have to have a valid ID, or a bill with the correct address on it to get a library card. Costs a dollar.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

well if the Dems are smart ,and they think these people are their constuency ,then they will make sure they are informed . I've worked the elections on and off for years now. Both parties are very active in get out the vote activites.

But this is above and beyond the pale. Making sure a voter has valid ID according to new rules is not "getting out the vote."

It's like asking men who log onto this site to have to use six different passwords, and women need only one. How many men will join this site then?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

In Texas you have to have a valid ID, or a bill with the correct address on it to get a library card. Costs a dollar.

In Illinois, a library card is free. Book delivery people verified that the homebound/bedbound person lived at that address by examining two pieces of mail (a utility bill or some other official mail) with the person's name on it. A bedbound person kind of was a given for living there.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

It's like asking men who log onto this site to have to use six different passwords, and women need only one. How many men will join this site then?

Hello Carol,

Exceptional non whining men will...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Voter ID laws strengthen enfranchisement of registered voters and ensure the integrity of elections .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Voter ID laws strengthen enfranchisement of registered voters and ensure the integrity of elections .

And we have had so much trouble with voter fraud over the years.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Voter ID laws strengthen enfranchisement of registered voters and ensure the integrity of elections .

Hello again, tom:

While that's true, if you put roadblocks up between the voter and the ID, that's voter suppression.

I KNOW you don't want to talk about the PROCESS, because it's the PROCESS that suppresses the vote...

excon

I've documented that there is no suppression in the PA law.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I've documented that there is no suppression in the PA law.

The very fact that it was made is suppression. Obligations were added to prove one can vote.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But this is above and beyond the pale. Making sure a voter has valid ID according to new rules is not "getting out the vote."

It's like asking men who log onto this site to have to use six different passwords, and women need only one. How many men will join this site then?

Proving you're eligible to vote in a United States election is "above and beyond the pale?" You can't be serious. Voter fraud disenfranchises those who played by the rules, period.

It's not that difficult to understand. Obligation A, you must be eligible to vote. To have that obligation without verifying eligibility renders obligation A meaningless.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Proving you're eligible to vote in a United States election is "above and beyond the pale?" You can't be serious. Voter fraud disenfranchises those who played by the rules, period.

There IS no voter fraud.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's not that difficult to understand. Obligation A, you must be eligible to vote. To have that obligation without verifying eligibility renders obligation A meaningless.

Why would I again have to prove I am eligible? How many times does it have to be proven? My name is on the voter rolls. I get a voter card in the mail before an election. I'm over 21 and a registered voter. Isn't that enough?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Proving you're eligible to vote in a United States election is "above and beyond the pale?" .

Hello again, Steve:

You guys keep MISSING the point.. I wonder if that's on purpose... Anyway, it's good thing I'm here to keep us ON track..

Again, PROVING you're eligible to vote, ISN'T what's beyond the pale... It's hurdling the obstacles between the voter and his ID that is beyond the pale...

Can we going to DISCUSS the REAL issue here, or are you guys going to keep reciting talking points?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

It's hurdling the obstacles between the voter and his ID that is beyond the pale...

Can we gonna DISCUSS the REAL issue here, or are you guys gonna keep reciting talking points??

excon

That point was demolished thoroughly by tom weeks ago, and the only "talking points" I'm reciting are my own arguments.

I repeat, you must be eligible to vote and if you don't verify that then eligibility requirements are meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

There IS no voter fraud.

Now THAT'S a talking point. That argument has been thoroughly refuted here as well.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Now THAT'S a talking point. That argument has been thoroughly refuted here as well.

So why have a voter ID law?

The Pew Center published a study in February that found that 24 million voter registrations in the United States are either invalid or contain significant errors. Almost 2 million dead people are still on the rolls, and nearly 3 million people are registered in two or more states. An organization known as True the Vote recently reported there are 160 counties where more people are registered to vote than there are eligible voters.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The Pew Center published a study in Febuary that found that 24 million voter registrations in the United States are either invalid or contain significant errors. Almost 2 million dead people are still on the rolls, and nearly 3 million people are registered in two or more states. An organization known as True the Vote recently reported there are 160 counties where more people are registered to vote than there are eligible voters.

What are the Republicans doing about this?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So why have a voter ID law?

Because elections aren't meaningless. Shall we start this silly circle all over again or are y'all going to find something relevant to argue?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Because elections aren't meaningless.

Ah, there you go! One candidate might get more votes than the other?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Ah, there ya go! One candidate might get more votes than the other?

I think someone getting more valid votes than the other is the general idea of an election.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I think someone getting more valid votes than the other is the general idea of an election.

Ah, yes, more valid because of ?

I knew you'd just start this silly circle all over again. You can follow it around again on your own starting here. And before your next question, if maintaining the integrity of the vote means my guy loses it means my guy loses. I played by the rules, it's not fair for my vote to be canceled out by fraud.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I knew you'd just start this silly circle all over again. You can follow it around again on your own starting here. And before your next question, if maintaining the integrity of the vote means my guy loses it means my guy loses. I played by the rules, it's not fair for my vote to be canceled out by fraud.

There isn't any record of fraud as being a problem.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

There isn't any record of fraud as being a problem.

Again, around and around we go. That talking point has already been shown here to be without merit.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Again, around and around we go. That talking point has already been shown here to be without merit.

So you agree there is no need for voter ID laws.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So you agree there is no need for voter ID laws.

In light of what I've said that response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

In light of what I've said that response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It was sarcasm.

No, it was provocation.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No, it was provocation.

Nope. I don't do provocation.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So you agree there is no need for voter ID laws.

You are right you know, its just a ploy to deny people the right to vote

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Originally Posted by paraclete

you are right you know, its just a ploy to deny people the right to vote

I know. :D

Maybe we need a law that Republicans have to wear a purple and white striped pullover shirt in order to vote on Election Day. (The stripes can be either vertical or horizontal--we'll make it easy that way, but polo, not t-shirt.)

If you are worried about electoral fraud all you do is do what they do in the third world, dip a finger in indelliable ink surely we are smart enough now to give a voter a card with a bar code on it and you can immediately check their bonafides and make sure they don't vote twice. For the people who automated the count you are sure slow on the uptake

This wouldn't be as big an issue except for the partisan part of it, especially with the crap in Ohio, or the early voter restrictions that made for some awful long lines (HOURS TO VOTE?) in the past.

Now if they were serious about a legit election, they would have thought of a simpler solution than make obstacles.

Here's how to stop voter suppression - Tampa Bay Times

Talk about the intent of the founders, maybe we question the intent of our leaders.

You could ensure a federal jurisdiction, where the same rules are applied to all, makes sense you know, just as it took federal law to make civil rights work