That is not true at all and has been shown in debate before. The door swings both ways on self defense. Im thinking that part your not happy with is someone owning guns and having a right to carry them.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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That is not true at all and has been shown in debate before. The door swings both ways on self defense. Im thinking that part your not happy with is someone owning guns and having a right to carry them.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Guess I'll go strolling on 16th Street in Lawndale (Chicago) after dark tonight to see how it has changed since I student taught there in 1967. I'll be packing my husband's Mauser.. Hope I don't have any problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Good luck with that. Being as how is Chicago and not a gun friendly city then the police aren't going to let you walk around like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
No one will see my Mauser. It's for self defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Despite the right to bear arm, some are not as responsible as others, and tragedy results from a lack of good judgment. Unfortunately the standard for an idiot and a good citizen to own a gun are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Even if Zimmerman did follow Martin, should that mean he loses the right to defend himself when faced with an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
By the way ;in all likelihood ,Zimmerman is immune from civil action.
Florida Laws: FL Statutes - Title XLVI Crimes Section 776.012 Use of force in defense of person. - Florida Attorney Resources - Florida Laws
He left his vehicle and followed him only because he had a gun. No, gun, no follow. He would have waited for the police to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I agree with the verdict, but Zimmerman will never be free when it comes to public opinion and the media, I just hope he can regain a normal life in the near future.
That is a presumption not relevant to the jury deliberation. He has a legal right to act stupidly . Here in NY they expect people to be sheeple and take a pounding until the police arrive to shovel up the remains . In Fla. The law was quite clear. He was allowed to leave his car and not get sucker punched and pummeled .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In this case, he was specifically told to stay in his vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Canada is like NY too, people often get charged just for pointing a gun or firing warning shots at intruders in their own home.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, tom:
And, you know that HOW? Oh, that's right. Zimmerman said so, and you believe it hook line and sinker...Quote:
He was allowed to leave his car and not get sucker punched and pummeled .
But, in the real world, we don't know WHO punched and pummeled WHO?
Excon
You are aware that dispatchers are not police officers right? For the most part they are just people like an ambulance driver would be. They don't actually have authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes,I know that. But dispatchers are not just some bums off the street. It was a reasonable order considering who and what Zimmerman was supposed to be, his purpose for being in that place, and what he might encounter if he left his vehicle. He, gun in hand, decided to play detective and vigilante.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
You sure know how to make things up. Are you sure you don't work for the media?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You say reasonable "order". They have no authority to "order" anything. All they can do is make suggestions. Also its not likely that he had "gun in hand" when he left the car. That would suggest that it was out and ready to fire. If that were the case then there wouldn't have been any fighting.
Okay, his gun was in his pocket. I'm sure it was handy. He ignored the dispatcher's "suggestion" and decided to play detective/policeman all on his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Is that better?
Works for me. It puts it in a light that is much easier to see. And more then likely closer to the truth then we will ever know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Just going by the evidence. I did not hear the prosecution dispute the basic facts . They hung their case on some inconsistencies in Zimmerman's interviews with Hannity . A very weak case that would NOT have gone to trial without outside political pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Well this is a first a white man can defend himself against a black man, sort of changes the status quo, eh?
The direct testimony in the case proved this bogus . Noffke explained to the jury that as a 911 dispatcher, he is unable to issue direct orders to callers due to liability issues. He stated that it sounded like Zimmerman was running so he advised him not to follow Martin; however, he did not issue a direct order.George Zimmerman trial: 911 dispatcher Sean Noffke takes the stand - Tampa Bay Crime | Examiner.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In other words ;Zimmerman was ALREADY OUT OF HIS CAR ;and running to try to find Martin. When Noffke advised him that he should not do that Zimmerman cut off the pursuit ,turned around and attempted to return to his car. THAT'S THE FACTS presented at the trial .
And there was no testimony suggesting Zimmerman was carrying his gun in his hand . The evidence at the trial ,that was not disputed by the prosecution ,was that Zimmerman's gun was holstered until the second he pulled it and shot Martin.
NY State law makes a higher burden on the victim to try to escape than Florida requires.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
Self-Defense Law in New York State
If anything the facts show how incredibly wrong the narrative has been. Instead of letting the facts speak for themselves we got this concoction built to stir the racial pot and the race baiters aren't going to let it go.
Meanwhile, where is the national outrage?
13 month old baby shot dead in stroller
What a sad state of affairs in that gun culture.
I don't live in a "gun culture". And I live in Texas. There aren't people walking around with six shooters on their hips having gun fights at high noon. Guns are not the problem, the problem stems from cultivating a society where innocent life is disposable, families are unnecessary, values are whatever you want them to be, discipline is evil, accountability is passé, everyone is entitled to everything and the government leads the way in that by taking from one to give to another and those trying to restore some common sense are standing in the way of 'progress'. For starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Did you read the outrageous comments to the story?
Race baiters stirring the pot over a tragedy?Quote:
You kidding me right?? Holder is working as we speak to squash this travesty… 17 year old De'Marquise Elkins is black and Attorney General Holder doesn't want Black on white crime punished… Whites deserve it, right?? Cause who is the real victim here?? The child shot in the face? No… That was just a late term abortion… There is a democrat arguing that a child could be aborted up to two years old… So look to this brotha being set free with immunity in the coming days maybe a week…
De'Marquise Elkins shouldn't be breathing right now because a Concealed Carrying Citizen should have been there to prevent it… It would have bothered me in the least to put a 45 ACP in Mr De'Marquise Elkins Head…
Kenboo1
To fix that, start with Hollywood and (cable) TV. Life imitates art.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I am all ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I've suggested grassroots efforts in the past, but was told Republicans wouldn't be interested in such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes ,I'm not particularly interested in censorship . And that comes from someone who regularly calls the place Hollywierd .
Good luck with that, you might start with trying to convince the gangsta/hip hop music culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hello again, Steve:
Profile much?Quote:
gangsta/hip hop music culture.
Excon
The US rating system has long been set up to allow more violence than most any other country in the world.
So you got the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
George Zimmerman and the new age of “profiling” « Hot Air
What's funny is I'm profiled here every day and you never complain. In fact you join in. But anyway, Wondergirl pointed at Hollywood and I'm just expanding on that. Only a fool would disregard the violent, misogynistic crap being fed to our youth. (content warning).
2 Chainz
" Authorities report widespread not rioting all over the country in the wake of the Zimmerman trial verdict, as many as zero people have been killed or injured in the lack of violence so far "
Wondergirl was especially thinking about the egocentric values that WHITE actors and directors et al. are subtly shoving onto our youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Or as the Red Hot Chile Peppers call it 'Californication'. Yes they are as complicit as anyone else in the celebrity worship society .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Even prime-time sitcoms aren't sacred any longer. I'm so glad my kids are adults and I don't have to monitor their TV watching. Whatever happened to I Love Lucy and The Ed Sullivan Show?? Sex and bathroom humor are everywhere -- or am I just getting old? (Sorry -- I'm off topic but had to vent.)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, Steve;
Well, we got our Michael Moors and Bill Mahrs, and you got your Ted Nugents, and Chuck Norris's.Quote:
Yes they are as complicit as anyone else in the celebrity worship society
Bwa, ha ha ha.
Excon
The secret is to know what they are... people who are good at memorizing lines... sort of like our politicians (although some require teleprompters ) . Like I said... I'm not into censoring . I'll call the Michael Moron's of the world what they are... but I won't try to attempt to censor or boycott him... On the contrary ;I've seen his films and read his books .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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