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Well, our library homeless guy refused to even collect his SS. We had to convince him to go to the ER before his foot fell off from cellulitis. And he didn't have a cellphone or a Wii or even an XBox.
I had clients receiving food stamps or public aid who were living hand to mouth. My treat when I made home visits was a glass of water.
Carol, I never said there weren't poor among us and I have specifically argued for a government safety net for them. But I don't believe in expanding that net to nanny people that could and should be taking care of themselves. What's wrong with that?
So, how do you sort out the truly needy from the greedies?
So, do you think we shouldn't try?
Huh? I asked how.
It isn't braggin how many people have signed up for food stamps like the Obots do. It's putting in policies so the people can become self sufficient .
Even Clintoon got that.
Create jobs, and you have less poor people. Otherwise people have to go looking for what they can get, and moving around this country costs money. Have kids, it costs even more. Have a house, no job?
Who has time for "job creators" BS! Or "patient centered health insurance"!! Waiting for that jobs bill out of the house. Can't wait until those governors that refuse to obey the law wake up to reality.
A "jobs bill" for what it's worth was just passed. Of course it is your definition of what a jobs bill is. I say end the threat of the Obama tax increase that's scheduled to kick in at the end of the year... reform the tax code to flatten it ;repeal the Obamacare tax ,and elect Romney ,then you'll see the private sector create jobs by the thousands.Quote:
Waiting for that jobs bill out of the house
They are obeying the law according to the 7-2 decision on the Medicaid mandate. They are the wise ones ,and the governors who are implementing it will have a rude awakening when the Federal money gets yanked and the states are left holding the bag.Quote:
Can't wait until those governors that refuse to obey the law wake up to reality.
Btw ;that Medicaid decision is more far reaching in it's implication than most people realize. Wait until you see the Federalism challenges on Federal revenue sharing on issues like education ,highway funding ,etc. That is one part of the decision the court got right. Tax revenues are supposed to be apportioned based on population ,and not on some quid pro quo that Congress divines. This decision puts the nail in the coffin on that practice.
And I asked if we should try or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Of course we should try and separate the needy from the greedy. But we also have to accept the fact that long term poverty, and lack of opportunity have also led to people hustling any way they can to have something they don't. It's a buyer beware market in most cases, and various degrees of illegal in others, but it has existed for a long time, in many countries.
Many in the sub economy have fallen through the cracks and suffer without knowing, because the hustle is ALL they know. If you never been that poor in America, you would never know. I respectfully submit that its beneath the notice of the main stream, except when there is a sensational headline to report.
Tal, all I had to eat in my place once was a box of pancake mix and somehow, some grenadine.
I took the liberty of grabbing a few pics in my neighborhood as I drove home from the store yesterday. The first two are 2 blocks from my house. The 3rd is across the street. I'm not insensitive to the struggles of others, I've been there - and they're my neighbors...
By the way, someone tell me how anyone can wade through 13,000 pages of health care code? And they aren't done yet.
Instead of making health care more efficient, let's complicate the hell out of it, whaddya say?
Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/hr4...2_reported.pdf
Its only 2300 pages.
I made no comment of the bill, I said 13,000 pages of CODE, i.e. regulations - the bureaucratic offspring of the bill which we will have to live under.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
How long is the code/regulations for a large HMO?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I regret to inform you that our health care system is quite complicated.. It ain't going to get fixed with a few short words. The LENGTH of it shouldn't bother you, unless you have a short attention span.
excon
I don't know and HMOs don't make the laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
What else do reps, and senators have to do?? It's their job to read and write legislation, laws, and codes.
Whaaaa, I have to do that too? If they quite cheesin' for the cameras, they should have been done 2 years ago, the lazy b@stards!
Dude, my wife is a medical coder, I know it's complicated. Why then would we want to complicate the hell out of it even more?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And by the way, you should be happy to know that to deal with the cuts in compensation, health care facilities will just treat us like cattle.
Yessirree, another good liberal solution that instead of making things better for all just lowers the quality for everyone (unless you're a Democrat congressman who voted for this mess I'm sure ). I can't wait until I quit being a human patient and become "volume."Quote:
We’ll have 32 million potential customers who will come in, get treatment and pay,’ said Alan Miller, chief executive of University Health Services, a King of Prussia, Pa. company that runs 24 acute-care hospitals around the counter. ‘Previously, they got good treatment and said, “We can’t pay,”’ he said. Mr. Miller waved off the cuts, saying, ‘we will make it up in volume.’”
Don't you enter into a contract with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If you don't know then how can you complain that the government's version is big?
There are more choices in the marketplace. HMO is just one of them. Its possible to go a lifetime and not belong to a HMO. It's a little different here then where you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
More doctors, nurses, and hospitals. Don't let the rhetoric scare you. They talk volume in the emergency room too! Doesn't have to be a bad thing.Quote:
Yessirree, another good liberal solution that instead of making things better for all just lowers the quality for everyone (unless you're a Democrat congressman who voted for this mess I'm sure ). I can't wait until I quit being a human patient and become "volume."
The last handbook I saw was probably 150 pages. And I can understand it just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I guess you missed this. If that happens - even half of it - we're up sh*t creek without a paddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If the Democrats were good at communicating, they could reduce the ACA down to 150 pages too. Somebody will come along to do it.
excon
I haven't forgotten how afraid of the unknown some people are. So do we stepup and make thing better for more,or sit in a corner drowning in our own shat?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
http://newamericamedia.org/2012/07/m...s-on-facts.php
The rulings have been made, lets get the cart down the road, and see what happens. Enough crying, and gloom and doom! Action, and accomplishment is the best antidote to fear, so you conservatives need to get with the program, and help YOUR country.Quote:
So when patients and friends ask me. "Is the Supreme Court decision good or bad?" I reply "It depends on your insurance and your political affiliation." And then I come back to what Cyril Chang said. Our health system has too many moving parts, "implementing and improving" the present law may be as good or bad as "repealing and replacing" it.
Yet, all the details about the ACA only matter once we sidestep the political rhetoric, which neither political party is willing to do in an election year.
The debate is over!! Time to stop crying about what if. Lets get busy and do what we have to.
Yup time to get busy... repealing Obamacare and repealing Obama.Quote:
Lets get busy and do what we have to.
Not going to happen. But could I interest you in some prime beach front property near Claude, Tx?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You righties let me know how you like what Mitt trickles down his leg, and calls it properity.
Or you guys must REALLY love rich guy pee! That explains a lot! Hmmm. Sorry guys, I didn't know. Give me your adresses, and I will send you an umbrella. I still have a few from the Reagan/Bush eras.
Trust me you will need them!
It seems to me that is ALL the GOP has to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It seems to me your specialty is clichés.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That probably would be enough .Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oh the irony LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
150 pages ? 20 ought to do the trick. That would be 2 more that it took the founders to establish the whole Federal Government . In fact... we should change the Constitution to insist that every piece of legislation can be read... in plain English ,in an hour or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
If we did that ,then we wouldn't have a law like Obamacare ,that has plain language regarding taxes when it comes to tanning salons and other medical devices ;but still allows a language twisting judge to find a tax where the law calls for a penalty . In fact ;there are to date 21 new or higher taxes discovered in the bowels of the bill . Seven of those taxes apply to individuals making $250,000 or less.(another broken Obamapromise.) The additional tax code required means that the government needs to hire 16,500 new IRS personnel to collect,and audit our returns .(jobs created ? ) .
If we had that limit on the size of bills, then we wouldn't have a 2,572 that no one has read yet ;that has already 13,000 pages of code written ,with many thousand more to come. It has already consumed a $ billion taxpayers dollars in implementation ;with many more to be spent.
If we had that limitation then legislators wouldn't have the ability to add hundreds of pork rides onto bills and exceptions written into bills to buy off legislators.
Bottom line ,the bigger the bill ,the greater the chance of mischief... and Obamacare is loaded with mischief. There will be court challenges to the individual components for years to come (job security for the lawyer clowns that helped write the bill).
You really have nothing useful to add to the duscussion do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The mischief Tom is sitting on your hands and doing nothing when you know people are dying.
You think leglislation is a mischief but the greater mischief is doing nothing. However not to worry, your congress has a long history of doing nothing when mischief is a foot. They obviously believe that if you do nothing long enough the problem will go away. I expect this is preferable to preemptive strikes based on the mischief of misleading information
Plagiarizer.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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