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Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Couple things...
As you're falling into the water because the bridge you were driving on collapsed, you can blame the state.. Personally, I wouldn't care who paid for it. But, that's just me.
I didn't say anything about taxing the rich to pull the economy out of the crapper.. Just to pay for a few bridges and roads to get fixed.. Surely, they can pay for that, and STILL have a few jillion left over.. They DO drive, don't they?
excon
How about passing an Emergency tax increase on the 47% that aren't paying any Federal taxes now... or has someone dreamed up a way to extract 2 gallons of blood without killing the donor?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We've been over, and over, and then over again about this particular issue. You STILL misstate the facts... You're not going to convince anybody that way. No, I'm not going to use this space to correct you again.. It does no good.
excon
Warren Buffet is worth what, $45 billion? Soros another $22 billion? These guys allegedly WANT to be taxed more so if they'd just cough up $65 billion of that they'd still have a billion left each and we could spend all that on fixing a few of those bridges. It's the patriotic thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello, again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It would be. Now, if we could get some of those PHONEY patriots to pony up too, we could get going. What?? Investing in the country ISN'T patriotic?? Dude!
excon
You could take all their money and it wouldn't make a dent in the funding needed nationwide for either the infrastructure development proposed or balancing the budgets of the nation or the states .
This is all bs. The President just suspended a decision on a major infrastructure initiative that would've created immediate jobs in a number of states . There is no logic to his decision except for the fact that the Koch Brothers would get a piece of the profit.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It IS. Both sides are playing chicken with the economy. We should throw 'em ALL out.
As wacky as Ron Paul is on some things, I'm going to support him this time around too.
excon
What... the fact that the left somehow ignores the other facts that if they taxed the so-called Rich at 100% and simply TOOK everything they owned... its still wouldn't put a dent in the dedbt or solve anything... and would in fact make everything far worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So why can't the left grasp the concept of making the 47% pay their fair share after all is the only FAIR thing to do? They are going to be a vacuum and suck all the benefits, they should at least share in the pain by paying an equal percentage of their income.
I just figured it out! Tom you just can't count. A .5% tax fixes the bridges, builds schools and fixes roads, as well as hiring teachers, and . A 5% tax on the second million raises a trillion dollars, over 10 years. A one percent raise in the SS tax makes SS solvent until 2075, and its solvent now at least until 2032.
My point is small changes help a lot, and can be done right now to create jobs, expand the tax base, and start raising millions out of poverty. The states do play a large role already, in coordinating and making projects shovel ready, so what's the hold up? Republicans who have to make the president look weak to get the election results they want so they can suck more money fro the system and make more slaves for their masters.
OH, and the stimulus money is still being spent on the state level. Just ask Rick Perry, whose legislature is still spending it on projects across Texas. They just don't let him get his MITTS on it any longer because he is a proven fiscal screw up.
Learn to count Tom, so you can have the facts to go along with rants and opinions. What the facts won't change your opinions??
Tal... and you actually believe those claims...
Obama is weak... he doesn't need anyone to make him look that way...
Or was his actual agenda always to wreck the US enconomy?
If he wasn't weak, and wrong about everything... we wouldn't be in an Obama indced double dip recession right now.
Besides I thought all of that "Stimulous" spending was to keep the unemployment from going above 8% and the economy from turning into the cesspool it is right now.
And you want to believe ANOTHER 0.5% tax on the rich will not only solve the SSI ponzi scheme... but cure all of the other ills as well?
Jeeze, talk about being conned into something. Lets see some math to figure out how those claims can possibly work... even without taking into account the contraction that's going to have negative ripple effects in all sectors of the economy.
Got to protect the lazy 47% from having ANY responsibility to pay for their handouts...
Dude, the phoney patriots are these millionaires and billionaires like Buffet and Soros who don't have to wait on a tax increase to send their patriotic billions in. I'll make it easy for anyone that wants to do so, here's the address:Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220
Don't twist my words smoothy, do the math!! The .5 percent tax raises almost 80 billion a year for infrastructure, and jobs. I did the math. And that's the low estimate. We all pay a 1 percent tax on SS. And we ALL benefit from SS and jobs, and roads. None of which is a handout either. Now a 5 percent tax on the SECOND million dollars, plus letting the Bush tax cuts expire, takes a huge chunk from the rights wings dreaded deficit.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
And I am glad this weak president had the wear with all to at least stabilize finances for the freaking world, and maybe he didn't save it, but I know some fat rich, greedy job creators that are sitting on trillions, and banks that are hoarding, and some right wingers who still have a job so they can thumb there nose at the people who don't, and call them names.
But by your logic, we should be grateful to those addicted to money and power and the enablers like you who defend them. They have a right to tell us what to do, and give you a few bucks, so you can feel better about yourself, by tearing down those that you THINK are beneath you.
What a delusion!! But if you righties can't count anything but your own measly bucks, That's not my fault.
Haven't you heard, they found a better way to keep control over the money, they set up foundations, take a charity exemption, and run the foundation. They don't care about taxes or gifts, they have plenty of hiding places for their loot, both long and short term. They don't need a stamp, they have accountants, lawyers, and lobbyists.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
They laugh at you defending them and their tax cuts, because they know good and well they already have the tools and means to make paying taxes a moot point to them. Dude, do you really think they need your advice on what to do with their MONEY? REALLY? Really?
SO explain why the uber-lefties... like The Kennedys Soros... Obama.. Buffet... the Hollywood types... don't hand over thein millions or Billions and fix the problem once and for all if you all are so convinced that is going to fix everything... you know like the 1.4 TRILLION dollar stimulus was supposed to, but didn't except ramp of the national debt by orders of magnitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But No... THEY don't want to hand over THEIR money... they want the productive part of society to hand theirs over... while they keep theirs.
Personally every time Obama starts moving his lips , more lies... damn lies... and outright lies come spilling out of it. Hip waders aren't even enough anymore to stem off the tide of manure that oozes out of the Whitehouse these days.
I keep telling you guys OPM, that's not opium which I think you are smokin, but you don't listen instead you complain about a few people with their money. This is a credit crunch and OPM is in short supply. If you took all their money away it would not fix the problem because you have been spending OPM, long, long time now, and if they have no money no one will have any money. There is only one way, we had to do it and so do you, you have to take a salary cut, live in a smaller house, drive a smaller car and loose the servants, close the borders, and definitely stay at home.
Exactly... the lefties are always generous with OPM (Other Peoples Money) never their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And historically... the tight wads as far as charitable contributions are always the lefties.
They cleared out Zuccotti park yesterday. Today they are delousing it . They else cleared out the encampment in Oakland. Will look for before and after pictures because it is my understanding that a beautiful public park there has been reduced to mud and trampled straw.
Louts are everywhere Tom particularly around pseudo political causes. This OWS movement is nothing more than a bowel movement
What country are you talking about? Nobody said anything about taking someone's money. After the rich pay their fair share, they still are really, really rich. And most middle class workers don't have servants, or big houses. You have been reading to many tourist magazines or something, and we have far more options than your island nation, if the conservatives could count, and get there noses out the butts of the super rich, and deal with the facts and not the fiction of there own rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Hello again,
The people have been aroused... Cleaning a park ain't going to stop it.. Calling 'em names ain't going to stop it. In fact, ain't NOTHING going to stop it.. Those, who HAVE no memory of our history, or choose to remain ignorant of it, are destined to relive it... Bummer for you.
We changed the world once. We're about to do it again.
excon
That's exactly what you are talking about.Quote:
Nobody said anything about taking someone's money.
The French thought they were changing the world with mob~ocracy in 1789 . They ended up with a military dictator by 1804.Quote:
We changed the world once. We're about to do it again.
LOL, taking a few million from a billionare is wrong, but taking food stamps from someone with nothing is right.
Go figure the logic in that one.
Who said I approved of taking food stamps from the people who truly need them ?
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It's a dangerous time. The OWS'rs didn't bring it. They just noticed it, and it pissed them off. Can we keep our democracy? Time will tell.
excon
Gee the rich pay the lions share now... while 47% pay nothing... want to talk about someone paying their fair share... the 47% are way overdue to step up and do thair part for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You make yourself irrelevant when you continue to spread stuff, that you KNOW not to be true.. But, you represent YOUR side very well. FACTS mean NOTHING to you...
Carry on. Standing by to call you again...
excon
That's a blatant misrepresentation. 47% pay taxes, and get refunds, but they pay taxes. Not as much as Warren Buffet, or the banks, and making money is an individual thing. Why don't the rich guys who suck all the money out of the economy for fun step up and fix some bridges?
Oh that's right, a poor joker making slave wages should be doing that while the fat cats count the money the stole.
What exactly is a "slave wage"?
And I asked that question yesterday, why don't all those "patriotic millionaires" and billionaires put their money where their mouth is? Who has been the first to step up and toss in a few billion to fix a few bridges instead of running their mouth about paying less in taxes than his secretary? No one is stopping them, and again here's the address for them to demonstrate their patriotism whenever they're ready to cut a check.
Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220
Hello Steve:
I don't know... Why are you running turnips for president?
As long as you keep spreading right wing gospel, I'll answer with left wing stuff... And, the band played on.
excon
I wonder what Buffett would say if he was threatened with Cap gains tax increases instead of income tax increases ?
Not that I'm in favor of that . I think cap gains should be tax exempt.It's double taxation and hurts the middle class more than the rich so everyone should favor it's elimination.
Who has been aroused? Most of the people are long past fed up with the occupiers, and once they block traffic again and otherwise disrupt people's lives on their little march it's only going to get worse for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Change to what? I'm still waiting for them to clarify their "one demand." For the most part these are college kids who think they're entitled to whatever it is they think they're entitled to and whatever it is must be the right thing simply because they feel so passionate about it. Whaaa!Quote:
We changed the world once. We're about to do it again.
I'm not running any of them, but Gingrich is no turnip.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What right-wing gospel? Telling hypocrite billionaires to put their money where their mouth is should have bipartisan support.Quote:
As long as you keep spreading right wing gospel, I'll answer with left wing stuff... And, the band played on.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You're not just calling THEM hypocrites. You're calling me one also. I, TOO, would be willing to pay more taxes if it contributed to the recovery of my country... But, I'm not going to write a check, until it becomes law, and I'm not hypocrite because I won't. In fact, to call me that, because I support my country, is kind of low.
In truth, my WILLINGNESS to support my country, shows my patriotism. Your attack on it shows ______ (fill in the blank).
excon
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I didn't listen past the name calling - just like I don't listen to you when you call names.. I LOVED the graphics, though.
excon
No, I'm not calling you a hypocrite. I don't put a willingness to pay more if asked to do so in the same category as complaining that you don't pay enough in taxes when you can send in as much as you want. Buffet and Soros don't really want to pay more in taxes or they would already be doing so.
Really ex... exactly where are you getting YOUR information from.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The top 10 percent of tax payers... your so-called rich pay 71% of the entire federal taxes... and you and Tal for two are arguing that's still not enough... when 47% pay ZERO% of the Federal taxes...
The Top 10 Percent of Income Earners Paid 71 Percent of Federal Income Tax
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
For the 15th, and most likely NOT the last time, the group who you say pays NO federal taxes, PAY federal unemployment taxes, they pay federal social security taxes, they pay federal payroll taxes, they pay federal FICA taxes, they pay federal highway taxes, they pay federal excise taxes, they pay federal telephone taxes, and there's probably another 15 federal taxes that they pay that I'm not aware of...
The BULK of the federal budget comes from THOSE taxes and not income taxes... But, I've said this before. You'll ignore me this time, just like you have all the rest... I'm used to it. That's my job - setting the record straight...
excon
If you believe that... then why are you harping on a group that already pays far more than its fair share... How about making that 47% pull its weight for a change... if its such an insignificant amount,Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
If you believe that... then why are you harping on a group that already pays far more than its fair share... How about making that 47% pull its weight for a change... if its such an insignificant amount,Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
THe left seems to believe raising the taxes of that 10% to total confication will somehow CURE everything... strange if its such an insignifcant amount how that will do anything except further increase the unemployment rates.
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