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  • Aug 5, 2011, 01:16 PM
    talaniman

    Its simple math, when the consumer who creates demand by spending, pays off his bills enough to get back to spending, then small businesses will hire again, so until then, government has to spend, and invest, and NOT cut.

    Too much cutting and not investing, or spending makes us like Europe, who ain't doing that great last I looked. Yeah that's right, fact is big corporations don't create jobs, they meet demands, and make a profit out of meeting that demand.

    The true job creators are the ordinary folks that buy stuff, and without any rise in wages in 15 years, we got mired in debts we have to pay, and that takes time. And that's where I want my tax dollars to go, not to a fat cat who is making money without me spending, and taking even more of those tax dollars in cuts that have helped him make even more money off my back.After I bailed his greedy butt out of a jam.

    You'd think he would appreciate it!!
  • Aug 6, 2011, 08:01 AM
    Synnen

    I don't want the government to bail ANY of us out, frankly.

    I don't think anyone is getting how SERIOUS the debt in this country is.

    We NEED to tax more. Tax the poor and the rich more--the middle class has put up with the squeeze for 30 years now, because there's nothing the fat cats would like more than to eliminate the middle class.

    Stop government spending on ANYTHING unnecessary and start TAXING all of that unnecessary crap by the use. Tax by use would change a lot of the ways people take crap for granted.
  • Aug 6, 2011, 09:06 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    I don't want the government to bail ANY of us out, frankly.

    Hello again, Synn:

    I don't either.. But, when we LET corporations get TOO BIG TO FAIL, if we let 'em go, we go DOWN with 'em. That ain't good for us.

    So, the obvious answer to ME is, we shouldn't let 'em get that big... But, there's a LOT pushback on that notion from the right... I don't know why. Of course, my solution is right.

    Yours too. The wealthy HAVE recovered whereas the poor haven't. I think they can afford to pay a few sheckles more in taxes.

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2011, 09:07 AM
    speechlesstx

    I would ordinarily have a comment but the moderators here now apparently speak for me.
  • Aug 6, 2011, 12:21 PM
    excon

    Hello again, Steve:

    So, are you going to the Christapalooza today?

    excon
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:18 AM
    speechlesstx
    Apparently what we need to get this economy going is a good alien invasion according to Nobel winning economist Paul Krugman.



    That's it, a nice space alien invasion would jump start the economy. Or, as Fareed Zakaria suggested, have the feds hire people to dig ditches and then fill them back up. The ultimate "shovel ready job." Zero value to it, but shovel ready.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:22 AM
    Wondergirl

    Or the wealthy kicking in with their fair share, according to Warren Buffett and a lot of wealthy people.

    "Buffett noted Monday that the mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most investment income but practically nothing in payroll taxes. The middle class, meanwhile, typically falls into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets and is hit with heavy payroll taxes. He said Washington legislators 'feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species.'

    Buffett said he knows many of the mega-rich well, and most wouldn't mind paying more in taxes, especially when so many fellow citizens are suffering."
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:22 AM
    NeedKarma
    He parrots the same conservative mantra of inciting fear to reach the wanted goal. Krugman in this case makes a out-of-this-world simili while the conservatives actually do spread fear to reach their goals.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:24 AM
    talaniman

    Making sand bags for a future flood can't be a waste of time. What no more floods? Well even during a drought, you can have a flood.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:27 AM
    tomder55

    Buffett can cut a check any time he wants . He's one of those phony capitalists that the left normally belly aches about.. with his cashing in on bailouts ,subsidies and pork.

    I got an even better idea... a multi-billionaire surcharge. Anyone like Buffett and Gates who has as net worth of $40 billion ,and think they are under taxed
    Can cut a check for $39 billion to the redistributionists they loves so much .
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:37 AM
    Wondergirl

    Buffett's cutting those checks -- "More than 99% of my wealth will go to philanthropy during my lifetime or at death."
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:45 AM
    tomder55

    Good for him . Obviously he thinks that only the government is good enough to distribute our wealth... so he should have no problem giving it up now in taxes .
    He's a piece of work . Much of his wealth is coming from Goldman Sachs holdings.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 10:59 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    good for him . obviously he thinks that only the government is good enough to distribute our wealth

    So who do you want to distribute your wealth? (Pssst, YOU are the government.)
  • Aug 16, 2011, 11:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Buffett's cutting those checks -- "More than 99% of my wealth will go to philanthropy during my lifetime or at death."

    How much of that philanthropy will be directed to the federal government?
  • Aug 16, 2011, 11:31 AM
    tomder55

    WG ,I think I can decide where the wealth I've earned can go . I don't begrudge the hypocrite Buffett his choice either.

    What Buffet is pushing for however is a hit others bottom line ;Not himself. He's already figured out how to pay zero taxes .
    http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/lau...=ce4iq36ru6tkd
    If taxed too heavily he'll direct his accountants to shelter more.

    So when I hear him call for a flat tax that eliminates the loopholes he takes full advantage of then I'll believe he's sincere.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 12:14 PM
    talaniman

    Cut the loopholes.
  • Aug 17, 2011, 02:26 PM
    speechlesstx
    On the first leg of his 3 day campaign... I mean "economic bus tour", Obama had some mandates... oops, advice, for automakers.

    “You can’t just make money on SUVs and trucks,” Obama said during a town hall forum in Cannon Falls, Minn. “There is a place for SUVs and trucks, but as gas prices keep on going up, you have got to understand the market. People are going to try to save money.”

    Here's the guy who can't seem to prevent the stock market from taking a dive while he speaks telling automakers they "have got to understand the market."

    So what does the market say? The Ford F series pickup and the Chevy Silverado pickup occupy the first two spots as usual. Looks like pickup sales are still well ahead of anything else. There really is a place for SUV's and trucks, nos. 1, 2, 5, 8, 12, 17, 18 & 20.
  • Aug 17, 2011, 02:37 PM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    It's a smart political move.. It stands to reason that if you limit the amount of pickups, you limit the amount of right wingers.

    excon
  • Aug 17, 2011, 02:52 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    It's a smart political move.. It stands to reason that if you limit the amount of pickups, you limit the amount of right wingers.

    You'll have to pry our pickups out of our cold, dead hands. I think it's more a matter of survival, lefties don't want to be driving their little tin can hybrids on the same streets as our full size trucks... especially after his new mileage standards take effect.

    P.S. He's offering his advice to automakers while riding in a Canadian-built bus.
  • Aug 17, 2011, 02:55 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    P.S. He's offering his advice to automakers while riding in a Canadian-built bus.

    Hello again, Steve:

    Didn't we give this guy a 747? Wassa matter? Is it in the shop?

    excon
  • Aug 17, 2011, 03:02 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Didn't we give this guy a 747? Wassa matter? Is it in the shop?

    Yeah we did, but it's campaign time. He has to try and look like one of us and feel our pain and all that.
  • Aug 17, 2011, 05:38 PM
    talaniman
    Not like Slick Rick balancing the budget, and creating jobs off stimulus money. Oh that's right, its campaign talk.
  • Sep 1, 2011, 11:49 AM
    speechlesstx
    Supporting the American worker Obama administration style...

    Quote:

    Obama Labor Boss Buys Canadian-Built Car
    Says purchase was to show support for American workers

    To show her support for American workers, President Obama's labor secretary, Hilda Solis, has junked the standard black limo and purchased a new Chevrolet Equinox to ride around Washington in. The problem: the crossover SUV is built and assembled in Canada from parts also made in Canada.

    Solis proudly arrived at a media breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor today in the shiny silver vehicle, which she has dubbed the "bullet." She was asked about why she traded the standard-issue limo for the SUV. "What better example could I set if I encouraged my staff to go and purchase and seek how we could acquire a vehicle that would for me would send a signal that we're for supporting our American workers, American-made products, fuel efficient as well," she told the Monitor's Dave Cook, who provided this video of her answer.
    Good thing we have all those smart people running the country now. That'll create tons of American jobs, buy Canadian!
  • Sep 1, 2011, 12:46 PM
    NeedKarma
    How does one find out which plant an American car is built in?
  • Sep 1, 2011, 12:51 PM
    talaniman
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Equinox


    Canada

    Quote:

    POP/Population (2009 est.): 33.7 million.

    Trade: U.S. merchandise exports to Canada (2008)--$264.2 billion: motor vehicles and spare parts, industrial and electrical machinery, plastics, computers, chemicals, petroleum products and natural gas, and agricultural products. In 2008, 63% of Canada's imports came from the United States. U.S. merchandise imports from Canada (2008)--$347.9 billion: motor vehicles and spare parts, crude petroleum and natural gas, forest products, agricultural products, metals, industrial machinery, and aircraft. In 2008, 75% of Canada's exports went to the United States.
    Quote:

    The new 2.4-liter straight-4 engine made in the US (Tonawanda, NY & Spring Hill, Tn.), produces 182 hp (136 kW) and 172 lb·ft (233 N·m) torque, and achieves up to 22 mpg-US (11 L/100 km; 26 mpg-imp) (9.35 km/L) (city), 32 mpg-US (7.4 L/100 km; 38 mpg-imp) (13.6 km/L) (highway).
    What are you an isolationist??
  • Sep 1, 2011, 12:52 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    How does one find out which plant an American car is built in?

    From Vehicle Identification Number - VIN Numbers: Free online search for car or truck VIN numbers. Find information on auto decoders and DMV record links.

    A car's vehicle identification number (VIN) is the identifying code for your SPECIFIC automobile. It is your car's fingerprint.

    It sets [your] vehicle apart from the millions of vehicles out there. Recently the VIN is reflected by 17 digit characters. It displays a car's uniqueness and manufacturer and provides a method to trace your car from the factory to the junk yard. Your VIN can be used to track recalls, registrations, warranty claims, thefts and insurance coverage.

    Common locations of the vehicle identification number (VIN) vary but the following are places to look:

    * Firewall of the vehicle
    * Left hand inner wheel arch
    * Steering column
    * Radiator Support Bracket
    * Dash by windshield
    * Drivers door or post on passenger side
    * Guarantee & Maintenance Book *Vehicle documents
    * Machined Pad on front of engine
    * Component parts as listed above -eg- engine, frame, etc.

    Later model years - most common area's of VIN:

    * Left instrumentation/dash plate by window
    * Drivers door or post
    * Firewall
  • Sep 1, 2011, 01:34 PM
    speechlesstx
    Just ask the car maker, they'll tell you.

    Manufacturing Facilities - CAMI Automotive

    Location:

    CAMI Automotive Inc.
    300 Ingersoll Street
    Ingersoll, Ontario

    Description:

    CAMI Automotive Inc. builds the Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain.

    Manufacturing Facilities - Oshawa Car Assembly Plant

    Location:

    General Motors of Canada Limited
    Car Assembly Plant
    Park Road South
    Oshawa, Ontario

    Description:

    The Oshawa Car Assembly Plant assembles the Chevrolet Impala and the Chevrolet Camaro.

    Oshawa Car Assembly Plant is the future home of the all-new 2011 Buick Regal.

    Manufacturing Facilities - St. Catharines Powertrain, Glendale Ave.

    Location:

    General Motors of Canada Limited
    570 Glendale Avenue
    St. Catharines, Ontario

    Description:

    The St. Catharines Engine Plant machines parts and assembles GM's famous Vortec brand of engines. The plant currently assembles 4.0L, 5.3L and 5.7L V8 GEN III Engines. 3.6L and 2.8L HFV6 Engines. As well, specific engine components such as aluminum blocks, cast-iron blocks, cranks, heads, rods and cams are also manufactured.

    Or is that just more misinformation I'm spreading as "one of the worst offenders" ?
  • Sep 1, 2011, 01:43 PM
    NeedKarma
    Cool thanks guys! And thanks Obama for the support!
  • Sep 1, 2011, 02:16 PM
    talaniman
    So we shouldn't buy stuff from our trading partners? REALLY?
  • Sep 1, 2011, 02:18 PM
    tomder55
    I don't min them purchasing Canadian cars... It's bad pr but not really a bad thing.

    What I object to is American jobs being lost to Canadians because the Obots won't submit neotiated treaties to the Senate for confirmation.

    Canada-Colombia trade pact begins as U.S. deals stall : 2011-08-17 – Canada Immigration Info
  • Sep 1, 2011, 02:31 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So we shouldn't buy stuff from our trading partners? REALLY?

    Nope, we should support our trading partners. We shouldn't support this tone deaf administration that just doesn't get it. If someone in the Bush administration had made Solis' gaffe we'd never hear the end of it, but this gaffe-tastic administration gets a pass. Oh, and as a reminder this is what Solis, the LABOR Secretary, said:

    Quote:

    "What better example could I set if I encouraged my staff to go and purchase and seek how we could acquire a vehicle that would for me would send a signal that we're for supporting our American workers, American-made products, fuel efficient as well."
    What better example could she set to show support for American workers? Buy an American-made car that's actually American-made.
  • Sep 1, 2011, 02:33 PM
    talaniman
    It's a global company, and a global economy.
  • Sep 1, 2011, 02:48 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Its a global company, and a global economy.

    OK, this is about her remarks, not the economy. So what part of her words "American-made products" while bragging about her Canadian built vehicle aren't you getting? And are you ready for the draft? My American-picked team is going to kick some serious booty.
  • Sep 1, 2011, 03:04 PM
    talaniman
    She didn't go to Canada to buy it, and what would you expect a female to know about a car??

    You kicked booty in Baseball, but I expect more competition in Football my fellow Texan. Hehehehe!!
  • Sep 1, 2011, 03:48 PM
    Synnen
    Hey now... I may not be a car afficiando, but I know a little bit about cars!

    Want me to start making comments about how little men know about cooking, cleaning, or changing diapers, Mister?
  • Sep 1, 2011, 04:24 PM
    tomder55
    Got to agree w /Synn . I go to my wife for advice about cars . But I am an excellent cook .
  • Sep 1, 2011, 04:48 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Hey now....I may not be a car afficiando, but I know a little bit about cars!

    Want me to start making comments about how little men know about cooking, cleaning, or changing diapers, Mister?

    I cook 98 percent of our meals and they're delicious. I do dishes, wash and iron my own clothes AND swing a mean hammer. But I have a couple of car guy friends for cars.
  • Sep 1, 2011, 05:33 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Want me to start making comments about how little men know about cooking, cleaning, or changing diapers, Mister?

    I do/did all that stuff, better than the wife too.
  • Sep 1, 2011, 06:17 PM
    talaniman
    I cook and clean and change diapers with the best of them, but my point was, ANYONE in America buying a Chevy wouldn't ask where it was built if they were in a Chevy dealership in America would they? I don't think she went to Canada to buy this vehicle, do you??
  • Sep 2, 2011, 04:53 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I cook and clean and change diapers with the best of them, but my point was, ANYONE in America buying a Chevy wouldn't ask where it was built if they were in a Chevy dealership in America would they?? I don't think she went to Canada to buy this vehicle, do you???

    Tal, being in Texas you ought to know that a lot of people do want to know where the car they're considering is built. That isn't the point, this is our Secretary of Labor trying to show support for our American workers by bragging on buying an American-made vehicle. She'd damn well better know where it was built before sticking her foot in her mouth.

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