I love it when libs take a sensible and reasonable stand on hot-button issues.
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I love it when libs take a sensible and reasonable stand on hot-button issues.
Yes, a stand that, I think synnen proposed, which I think most can agree with. Marriage is a religious institution and the government has no business dictating religious doctrine.
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Watch this :) Its done by Jack Black and some other acters. Its on propsition 8, but it's their opinion on it and the bible.
And jack black plays jesus lol
"Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more... from FOD Team, Jack Black, Craig Robinson, John C Reilly, and Rashida Jones
Thanks Sarge, and I just almost made it "a day without a gay" until that.
Well, I want to add something to this discussion. I know one guy who is completely straight , he has a girl friend too, and pretty much happy with her.
He has got this very close friend, they've been roommates for 4 years in college. He really like that guy, every moment he has spent with him, he enjoyed it, loved it. He love this guy more than his girl friend, and he still want to live with this guy rather than his girl friend. But it doesn't mean that he's a gay. My point is, loving a person doesn't make you gay or lesbian. Its just feelings. Its just about loving a person. What if these 2 guys marry, if that's necessary for them. I completely support it.
I don't think there should be any issue in gay marriages. Every person has a right to choose his or her life partner.
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them. To wit:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Canadians, but not Mexicans. Can you clarify?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
I don't know of any official data that proves that children do better with a mom/dad vs mom/mom or dad/dad situations. On the other hand, I personally know some children that have a horrible set of worthless straight parents. I've also seen kids in a same sex union that are happy and thriving and well adjusted. Mom/Dad parents are not necessarily any more or less qualified than same sex parents. At least in my circles.Quote:
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Originally Posted by passmeby
Well, I agree with excon about gays having the same rights as other couples but, like you, I thought his presentation was a little rude. You had a point there Until, you had to get that little cheap shot in on your last paragraph. Shame on you.
Got It:DQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
No really? Where did they get their wives? It is the only thing that makes sense, but isn't incest pretty far up on the list of major sins? Why would God set up a situation where there was no getting around this sin? That is the trouble with the biblical story of creation. It required too much incest.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I'm am not going to join in on this conversation, because it seems to be going nowhere. BUT, I could not passby without commenting on this. I can't believe the hatred being spewed here in this comment and a few others, from someone who claims to be a Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by passmeby
I am incensed that you would refer to a HUMAN BEING as purposeless, defective, and useless, just because they were born gay! You also made a comparison to a marriage between same sex couples to a person marrying a horse! Do your gay family members and friends (mentioned in another of your posts) know that you find them purposeless, defective, and useless? Thou shalt not lie! It was also a contradiction to say that you didn't have a problem with said relatives and friends, yet you find them to be abominations. I find this very hypocritical! The comment made at the end of your angry, right winged words, was just pure venom!
However, I would like to thank you! Thank you for reminding me why I left the church, and organized religion. It's once again cemented in my mind, the reason I will not return to a place that is filled with people like you. You have once again raised my awareness! Your church must be proud of you for keeping another former member out! I will abide by your username, and "pass you by."
Hello Starby:
*greenie*
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Thanks Exy! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Second greenie from myself. I echo your sentiments.
Is it my birthday? LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
A standing ovation (and a greenie too!) from me, Starby.
My Birthday AND Christmas all over again! Yeay! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Thanks Synn!
I am going to comment.
Marriage is between a man and a women. Marriage has been created for man and women. It has been through the ages within the church.
As far as if homesexual or lesbians want to have a union that is up to him or her. But as far as having that union within the church, it was not meant to be.
That does not mean that Men - Men, Women - Women can not live together and be happy.
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Like I've said before in this thread: marriage has been defined in several different ways over the centuries. 1 man and as many women as he can support is STILL acceptable in some cultures.
Like I've ALSO said before: the only way to make this fair is to have EVERYONE have to have 2 ceremonies. One for the state, for the legal stuff, and one for the church for the religious stuff.
No, you can't make a church accept gay marriages, but you CAN make the state say they will not recognize legally any union that is ONLY done in a church and not through the state as well.
Hello Joe:
Happy New Year to you...
Nobody here is arguing with you or your church about how YOU define marriage. The problem comes when the GOVERNMENT starts to define it, by denying rights to those who THEY think shouldn't be married.
You do agree, that the government shouldn't take the position of the church, don't you? You DO agree, that they're NOT the same thing, that they don't serve the same constituency, and that government should abide by ITS principals instead of the CHURCH'S?
excon
When you get married you get a tax break, but if you can't, you don't. Its one thing to have that option, and not use it, but its another thing to not be afforded the option. That's not fair.
And a greenie for New Years Starby, for standing up to hypocrisy,
Thanks Tal! :D
I said I wasn't going to get involved in this after my comment, but hey you guys know me! Haha! It's not only the tax break issue that bothers me. I was watching a show on TV just last week. An unmarried gay couple had been together for I believe it was 15 yrs. They had adopted a child, and they were a very "normal" and well adjusted family. They had a beautiful home in a nice neighbourhood, they provided well for their 10 yr old child, they were well respected in their community, and in their neighbourhood.
Well, one of them was in a terrible accident. Neither the partner, nor the child were allowed in the hospital room. That person died without being able to say goodbye to the people that they loved the most.
Then the family of the deceased stepped in. They took everything, including the child! They left the grieving partner without their child, and took everything that the three had shared over the yrs. All of their assets and possesions, and the child was no longer allowed to see the surviving parent.
Now someone tell me how this is fair, or for that matter, HUMANE! And all because they were not ALLOWED to be married.
It burns me up!
A greenie from me too Starby, that was very well said, and very true.
It's sad that some people care more about some words in a book then they do about the human beings on this planet.
If this continues, I don't see the peace everyone claims to want. It won't happen, and it's so in everyone's power to make it happen.
Okay, clunk, off my soap box. ;)
Very good points. I know I did not read through the whole thread. I really like your last point the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Take care.
Yes, Excon that is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, That is not fair at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by starbuck8
That's why legal recognition of domestic partnership is a must.Quote:
Well, one of them was in a terrible accident. Neither the partner, nor the child were allowed in the hospital room. That person died without being able to say goodbye to the people that they loved the most.
Absolutely! Both straight AND gay partnerships!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That needs to happen to protect people. Especially innocent children that don't have a say in this. Those two loving parents were not both legally able to adopt that child. So one of them had to, and that just happened to be the one that died. Shame on the family members that allowed this to happen in this little innocent child's life. I'm sure that the child is hurting enough losing one parent. Why cause her to lose two at the same time? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
When this couple adopted the child didn't they know there was possibility that this could happen?? Little irresponsible on the part of the parents too wouldn't you agree
Hello Dare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dare81
Yeah, blaming the victim is an old right wing trick... But, we got you figured out...
excon
It's a valid question, no need to get all riled up. I just wanted to see what people think about itQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
For your information I am for gay marriages.
Dave what else you think they could have done?
Actually, I can't remember all of the details of the story, but from my understanding the couple thought that they had their I's dotted and their T's crossed. But as the way things often happen, their was obviously a glitch in the system somewhere that failed them. So the relatives that had frowned upon their gay union, found the loopholes I assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dare81
Because in a homosexual relationship, the relationship is not deemed "legal", the family, who DOES have legal recourse, can overturn things like wills and stated child custody preferences.
Basically, there is no legal protection for the surviving partner in a gay relationship if the family of the deceased contests his or her wishes. Because the family DOES have a legal connection to the deceased (next of kin), they can contest any legal document the deceased has--like a will--for their own benefit.
THAT is why gay marriage needs to be allowed. They should be allowed to have the SAME legal rights as any other spouse in the country if something happens.
So true! Can you imagine how many other things like that happen to these couples all of the time? Everything from legalities concerning children, to banking, healthcare, legal dealings, insurance policies, and the list goes on. I can't even imagine being in a situation like that, where you are treated as less than person. And still people think that being gay is a choice. Who would choose this?
I'm not gay but I'm all for gay marriage
Its what will make some people happy
There isn't nothing wrong with that
I support civil unions.
I thought we live in the land of the free. Freedom of speech and to marry whoever we choice whether if it is the same sex.
Lots of freedom in the US Constitution, but there is actually no "right" to marry at all listed,
Marriage was a state law to be regulated by the state. At 16 some states allow you to marry, others don't, at 16 some states allow you to have sex, others don't,
And there can not nor should there be "complete" freedom from morality, since there has to be a limit at some point
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