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what was pursued by Germany in the 30's was a program called eugenics which had much farther ranging consequences.

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Eugenics was in the progressive agenda long before the Nazis took it to extremes .
Margaret Sanger ;the founder of Planned Parenthood had a eugenics agenda targeted at primarily the Black population of America ;and well anyone else she deemed diluted the gene pool.

1932_peaceplan_margaretsanger (issues4life.org)

2.5.1. The Negro Project - Discrimination of African Americans from the perspective of black jazz musicians at the turn of the 20th Century (google.com)

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Originally Posted by tomder55

This passage has nothing to do with the abortion debate . Abortion is an unholy act of murdering an innocent baby.

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What do you plan to do with them once they're born and the mothers don't want them?

Well, I suppose that we could just kill them after they are born if no one wants them. After all, killing is killing, isn't it? One practice is no more heartless, cruel, sadistic, and cold-hearted than the other. [SARC]

I would suggest that women exercise the "my body, my choice" philosophy prior to getting pregnant. I find it strange that we wear helmets, use seat belts, take vitamins, exercise, and do all sorts of other things based on the idea that taking care of our bodies and avoiding unnecessary physical problems is a good idea, and yet there are so many women who don't seem able to protect themselves with birth control. And please don't respond with the tired old reply that birth control doesn't always work. The vast majority of "unwanted" pregnancies result from carelessness. They might even go to the tried and true idea of reserving sex for marriage.

I would suggest that we make adoption a much less expensive and time-consuming process. It would also be wise to develop a national attitude that if you have a baby, you are expected to take care of the baby. "I don't want this child," should be viewed as the pathetic, sorry excuse that it is. And yes, that also applies to the dad.

And babies that result from rape, domestic abuse, incest, bad family planning?

I'm really not sure where you are going with this. Killing the baby because we don't like it's method of conception seems like a bad plan to me. Is that what you are suggesting? If so, then when are you suggesting the killing take place, before birth or after birth?

Answer my question please. You have no ideas what to do with a newborn the mother doesn't want or can't keep?

I don't have answers for all social ills without revisiting tried and true values . The first of these would be that the killing of the innocent is wrong .

Good answer from Tom. I still don't know where WG is going with this. As to your comment about the newborn's mother, I've already answered that. Posts 103 and 104. Please keep up.

There are really only two choices. You can kill the baby or allow the baby to live. The first choice seems ghastly to me. I can only assume WG is ok with it. Go figure.

The mother does not want the baby. She gives birth. What will happen to that baby?

And again. "There are really only two choices. You can kill the baby or allow the baby to live. The first choice seems ghastly to me. I can only assume WG is ok with it. Go figure."

And again. " As to your comment about the newborn's mother, I've already answered that. Posts 103 and 104. Please keep up."

Perhaps you should offer up some observations on what has already been said rather than asking more questions which certainly seem to be both pointless and already answered.

She allows the baby to live.

The mother does not want the baby. She gives birth. What will happen to that baby?

My question has NOT been answered. Please stop putting me down.

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She allows the baby to live.

The mother does not want the baby. She gives birth. What will happen to that baby?

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What currently happens?

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My question has NOT been answered. Please stop putting me fown.

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I'm not putting you down. If you will read post 104 even semi-carefully, you will have some material to respond to.

She allows the baby to live.

The mother does not want the baby. She gives birth. What will happen to that baby?

My question has NOT been answered. Please stop putting me down.

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What currently happens?

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You don't know?

Babies are adopted or put into foster care, facts known to everyone including you. Only the titanically ignorant would not know that. I trust you do not belong in that category.

Now obstinate and fearful? Yep.

Now it's my turn for a question. Given a choice between adoption and killing the child, which do you support?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Babies are adopted or put into foster care

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Wow! Two ideal solutions! *gag* And now there are going to be millions more newborns put into the system that's already sagging.

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Now it's my turn for a question. Given a choice between adoption and killing the child, which do you support?

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My choice would be a thorough education about preventing pregnancy/birth control beginning in middle school through high school, plus follow-up education on the how-tos and pluses/minuses of pregnancy/childbirth/child raising.

yawn a 50 year debate with no resolution. Let the elected branches decide

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yawn a 50 year debate with no resolution. Let the elected branches decide

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Apparently you've never been pregnant.