so back to China. 100 years of the CCP, they have achieved much. The only really successful communist society. It is a shame they taint it with jingoism. It must be remembered that China before the communist takeover was a very corrupt society with an ongoing civil war. Many years on the issues are different. It is difficult for us to understand that capitalism cannot lift a peasant society out of poverty easily. Communism didn't succeed in Russia, dictatorship took over, and China is in the dictatorship phase

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Capitalism alone can't do it . There also needs to be liberty . The Chinese prosper by exporting the goods that slave labor produces . All the Green New Deal proponents should know that their vision cannot hope to succeed without the goods that the Uyghur slaves make . 40 % of the world's polysilicon is produced in Xinjiang region where the Chinese government is perpetrating a genocide and crimes against humanity against Uyghur and other ethnic minorities.
Chinese Solar Companies Tied to Use of Forced Labor - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

82 major corporations benefit from this . All free nations are complicit .

Uyghurs for sale | Australian Strategic Policy Institute | ASPI

Surviving the Crackdown in Xinjiang | The New Yorker

Opinion | Ban on Chinese solar panels signals we can’t fight climate change using forced labor - The Washington Post

As far as communism ;the Chinese abandoned that a long time ago . They are ruled by a diminishing cult that made a Faustian bargain that said they would provide a degree of prosperity in exchange for total obedience. This diminishing cult is down to a rule of one .....Xi . He is old and there are no plans for succession .One party rule without a mandate from the people is too long. China is overdue for a revolution against the tyranny of the CCP .

The Chinese Communist Party at 100 | City Journal (city-journal.org)

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Exactly. Free enterprise.

It will be interesting to see what happens once Xi departs. He's 68 and seems to be in good health, so it might be some time yet.

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Good luck with that, there are 95 million party members

Only 10% of the country, and many of them are likely lukewarm at best.

It is like the Nazi Party in Germany . Many were not true believers . It was like joining a labor union.

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Yes but just like Nazi Germany they are a pool of informers, reeducation camps are real, ask the Uyghurs

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Only 10% of the country, and many of them are likely lukewarm at best.

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Now he's an expert on China. Being an expert on hell wasn't enough for him. He can find more babies to torture.

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It is like the Nazi Party in Germany . Many were not true believers . It was like joining a labor union.

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Joining the Nazis was like joining a labor union? Did you really say that, tomder?

indeed I did . Hitler banned unions in 1933 because he wanted the loyalty of the labor movement . He replaced that with the DAF German Labor Front .Nazi members advanced further than non-members in the workplace . For many , the decision to join the Nazi Party was a pro-active calculation of the benefits they would derive from the Nazi program.

The Berlin Document Center holds registration cards for about 11 million Germans who joined the party (some are duplicates because people who dropped out and rejoined were issued new cards )
They did NOT join because of their antisemitism They joined for economic considerations . Many joined before 1933 and well before the purge of Jews became the Nazi cause . A disproportionate number of people who joined the party worked in industries, such as construction or food production, that benefited from policies intended to protect the domestic market.

They joined for economic and social reasons, but I imagine they stayed in out of fear of reprisals.

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For many , the decision to join the Nazi Party was a pro-active calculation of the benefits they would derive from the Nazi program.

They did NOT join because of their antisemitismns . Many joined before 1933 and well before the purge of Jews became the Nazi cause .

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The Nazi Party was antisemitic from its founding by Anton Drexler. I'm sure Germans also had other reasons for joining the Party but let's not whitewash what was always a despicable organization. The Parry was composed of far more than a lukewarm 10%.

In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .

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In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .

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Ok. Understood.

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In no way do I whitewash the party . What I am saying is that most members joined because having a job depended on it. DAF membership was "voluntary, " But any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. No not 10 % . Affiliates like the DAF had 25 million .In total about 45 million Germans were officially enrolled in Nazi programs .

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Sounds like the current GOP under the disgraced dufus.

Ok I apologise for using the word nazi thereby allowing you to sidetrack the thread once again. As the british used to say of the DAF you would have to be daft to own one

The comparison is valid . The CCP in reality is a secret society; an elite Xi cult .Membership numbers are deceptive . Leadership is less than a dozen and the ranks of potential successors is shrinking as Xi purges the party . When I was a kid I knew many people who would join a political party for the potential patronage job opportunities . As an example ;New York City was controlled by the Democrat Tammany Hall for many years (I would argue they still do) .

Sometimes it is hard to tell the capitalist from the communists.

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The comparison is valid . ........................................ ;New York City was controlled by the Democrat Tammany Hall for many years (I would argue they still do) .

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Those damn Democrats - sending their tanks down Fifth Avenue killing thousands.

Yes this must stop, no more presidential motorcades