Drive carefully! (need a smiley face here)

I'll try one more time. Who will take care of those babies? Who takes care of them now? Moms, dads, grandparents, brothers, sisters, etc.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Drive carefully! (need a smiley face here)

I'll try one more time. Who will take care of those babies? Who takes care of them now? Moms, dads, grandparents, brothers, sisters, etc.

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My question: "Females get pregnant with children they can't take care of for whatever reason. Then what?"
My answer: Nobody takes care of them. The fetuses were aborted. Had they not been, who knows where they end up -- with relatives (hopefully caring and loving ones, but no guarantee), in abusive homes, with single mothers (who may already have other children and who will probably have more -- gotten keep those boyfriends happy....), maybe adopted out but more likely stuck in our very broken foster-care system.

Yes. Much better to just kill them and not have to be inconvenienced by the whole thing. Too much trouble.

I actually answered your question in a way I think you missed. We need an adjustment in our country concerning sex and children. I will not watch your movie if you brag about your sexual exploits. I will not listen to your music. I will not watch your television show. I will not adjust my moral values to suit your liberal sexual ideas and that includes endorsing abortion just because you don't want to control yourself. If you become pregnant with all of the birth control available now, then in most cases you did something stupid. If you father a child and don't support that child, then you are a scumbag. If you advocate for a family structure other than a married father and mother, then I don't listen to you. We are done making excuses because children are too important. I know you will say that as a Christian I don't get to advocate for changes in our culture, but you are wrong about that.

That's my answer. Fix the problem, and the symptoms of the problem will lessen dramatically. It would solve most of the problems you described and many more besides.

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Fix the problem, and the symptoms of the problem will lessen dramatically. It would solve most of the problems you described and many more besides.

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The only way to fix the problem is to prevent the fetus from being conceived in the first place unless it will have loving, stable, mentally healthy, married parents.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The only way to fix the problem is to prevent the fetus from being conceived in the first place unless it will have loving, stable, mentally healthy, married parents.

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So you are suggesting sterilisation, yes, please prevent any more of your people from being added to the world

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Originally Posted by paraclete

So you are suggesting sterilisation, yes, please prevent any more of your people from being added to the world

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This time I'm suggesting birth control. But unfortunately, that doesn't always work.

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This time I'm suggesting birth control. But unfortunately, that doesn't always work.

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No for some peculiar reason it hasn't worked, it seems the promiscious don't use it

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No for some peculiar reason it hasn't worked, it seems the promiscious don't use it

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Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

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No for some peculiar reason it hasn't worked, it seems the promiscious don't use it

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And I know several young republican women who each have four kids already and don't know who the fathers are. Guess they should go on Maury Povich's tv show for DNA tests.

What difference does it make what political party they are associated with? The should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

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What difference does it make what political party they are associated with? They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

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Ashamed, now there is a concept that hasn't seen the light of day in a long while

How do you know they are not ashamed which is a self defeating trap within itself. For sure heaping MORE shame on them is hardly an effective way of finding a positive solution. You just make a bad situation even worse.

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How do you know they are not ashamed which is a self defeating trap within itself.

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Well now let's think about that. You have one baby out of wedlock and don't even know who the father is, then you are ashamed of yourself, so you decide to stop that shameful behavior and start acting like an adult. That I can believe. But you certainly don't just go blindly and willfully on and do it three more times. And you think they are ashamed? Really?

How little you understand your fellow human through their trials and tribulation. Obviously the behavor is but a symptom of a greater issue that needs resolving, and shaming will never work. Just the opposite is often the case. Of course you do not understand it and to be frank, very few do, so such behavior goes without the proper help and keeps perpetuating itself.

It can take years of the proper help to rescue someone from their own insane behavior. Surely you have sen that in your work with addicts and multiple births or any other abnormal behavior falls in this broader category of behavior. Until the underlying issue is identified and dealt with then you cannot expect a positive outcome.

To reduce this to a moral issue is not the way to go, since clearly the mind is stuck and needs reprogramming. Is not doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results the very definition of insanity? Complex for sure.

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Well now let's think about that. You have one baby out of wedlock and don't even know who the father is, then you are ashamed of yourself, so you decide to stop that shameful behavior and start acting like an adult. That I can believe. But you certainly don't just go blindly and willfully on and do it three more times. And you think they are ashamed? Really?

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Addicts and alcoholics cross that line many times despite the shame and guilt of their actions... but you already know that. Pathological is the word I think fits.

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And you think they are ashamed? Really?

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I know them personally and will ask next time I see them. I'm guessing the male lovers would say, "It was the women's fault. God gave them to us to be with us and give us pleasure, so we went along with it." (Sound familiar?)

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To reduce this to a moral issue is not the way to go, since clearly the mind is stuck and needs reprogramming.

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Without the Law there is no guilt or sin; no forgiveness (False sense, no need for forgiveness). Teenagers are using repeat abortions as a form of birth control. Legalizing Abortion, only exchanged the truth for a lie...The Law discovers guilt and sin. The aftermath of an "illegal abortion" should allow the forgiving love and cleansing grace that only the Gospel can express.

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I know them personally and will ask next time I see them. I'm guessing the male lovers would say, "It was the women's fault. God gave them to us to be with us and give us pleasure, so we went along with it." (Sound familiar?)

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I don't want anybody and everybody to enter into my house, so I keep the door closed. Now if I leave the door open and an unwanted person enters, it is that person's fault for entering, but I was rather foolish to leave my door open and encourage that action.

There is a lesson there.

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I don't want anybody and everybody to enter into my house, so I keep the door closed. Now if I leave the door open and an unwanted person enters, it is that person's fault for entering, but I was rather foolish to leave my door open and encourage that action.

There is a lesson there.

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Yes, there is. WWJD? You ask the stranger if he's hungry, sit him down at the kitchen table and feed him, then when he's finished, sit across from him and get to know him.

You completely missed the point. It had nothing to do with doors and strangers. It had to do with your lady friends. Think more carefully. Analogy.

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You completely missed the point. It had nothing to do with doors and strangers. It had to do with your lady friends. Think more carefully. Analogy.

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In that response to me, you totally missed MY point and analogy.