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Wow! I guess I'm being too subtle, too philosophical. Do you know what I Cor. 13 is about? As for what I believe about the Bible ... that's a whole 'nother topic.

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I know exactly what it talks about, but if it's not the truth, then what difference does it make? You're being evasive. What you believe about the Bible is the foundation for what you believe about 1 Cor. 13. You can't separate one from the other. You sure are reluctant to nail down what you believe and why you believe it.

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I know exactly what it talks about, but if it's not the truth, then what difference does it make? You're being evasive. What you believe about the Bible is the foundation for what you believe about 1 Cor. 13. You can't separate one from the other. You sure are reluctant to nail down what you believe and why you believe it.

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I am a preacher's daughter, have taught Sunday school and adult Bible class for years, attended a Lutheran teachers college, taught in Lutheran grade schools, attended an ecumenical neighborhood Bible class for at least ten years, sent my two kids to a Lutheran grade school (pre-K-8th grade). I have grown in grace and am not a literalist.

Jesus was a Jew, so why haven't you converted JL?

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I am a preacher's daughter, have taught Sunday school and adult Bible class for years, attended a Lutheran teachers college, taught in Lutheran grade schools, attended an ecumenical neighborhood Bible class for at least ten years, sent my two kids to a Lutheran grade school (pre-K-8th grade). I have grown in grace and am not a literalist.

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A lot of nice information, but I still don't understand what you believe other than you are not a literalist with the exception of, I suppose, 1 Cor. 13.

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A lot of nice information, but I still don't understand what you believe other than you are not a literalist with the exception of, I suppose, 1 Cor. 13.

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Then let's take this into PMs. It's not part of this thread.

OK with me.

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Jesus was a Jew, so why haven't you converted JL?

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Get a life please, Jesus may have been a Jew by birth but he was more and he founded anew covenant, leaving the old Jewish covenant behind. Being Jewish can't make any one righteous, so why would you convert?

I see what your saying Clete, but if being Jewish doesn't make you right, then how can being a Christian make you right? Or is this part of some evolution or something? I just find it fascinating that we humans can move down the road and start a brand new religion. Don't you? I can certainly see the inspirational value of that.

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Neither of you has any way of knowing if they would or wouldn't.

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Hello j:

Well, I AM a Jew, after all.. I KNOW my community.. I could be wrong, of course. I was wrong once back in 1997.

I was in the restaurant business. You didn't have to pass a test to be MY customer.. Yes, I'm SURE I did serve some rotten Nazis.

Plus, as a Jew IN business, I KNEW that the courthouse was the place for solving disputes. But, as mentioned, there wouldn't BE any disputes because my only worry about my customers was whether they'd pay me. I didn't give a sh*t what their religion or politics were..

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Plus, as a Jew IN business, I KNEW that the courthouse was the place for solving disputes. But, as mentioned, there wouldn't BE any disputes because my only worry about my customers was whether they'd pay me. I didn't give a sh*t what their religion or politics were..

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Yes. That's you, and I get that. But you have no way of knowing what the other thousands of Jewish businessmen/women in American would do. We are talking about what the law should compel someone to do, not what your personal intentions are.

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I just find it fascinating that we humans can move down the road and start a brand new religion.

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It had something to do with a man being raised bodily from the dead.

All due respect but can you prove that or are you just taking the word of some ancient man. I am in no way dismissing your faith or belief, but why should I believe you or your bible?

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All due respect but can you prove that or are you just taking the word of some ancient man. I am in no way dismissing your faith or belief, but why should I believe you or your bible?

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Actually you are dismissing the Christian faith, but that's your right. Taking the word of some ancient man? You need to investigate the evidence. You plainly have not done so.

Ex why not reconstitute the JDL ? Meir Kahane was always one of my heros .

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All due respect but can you prove that or are you just taking the word of some ancient man. I am in no way dismissing your faith or belief, but why should I believe you or your bible?

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Now Tal don't get your knickers in a knot. I'll refer you as I have done others to the book "evidence that demands a verdict", perhaps that will convince you

Clete, we agree on something! Evidence Which Demands a Verdict is a great place to start. If you really try to think about it as you read, then it takes a while to get through it.

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Ex why not reconstitute the JDL ? Meir Kahane was always one of my heros .

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Hello tom:

That's a terrific idea..

excon, Jewish warrior

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Clete, we agree on something! Evidence Which Demands a Verdict is a great place to start. If you really try to think about it as you read, then it takes a while to get through it.

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Yes I've been through it a couple of times, but I don't need it because he revealed himself to me, got my attention you might say

Well I guess I should buy the book if I want evidence of what you say, but cannot articulate.

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Well I guess I should buy the book if I want evidence of what you say, but cannot articulate.

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Brace yourself for a fundamentalist read. One goodreads commenter said, "This book suffers profusely from circular reasoning, "facts" with no support, and sources that don't matter."

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Brace yourself for a fundamentalist read. One goodreads commenter said, "This book suffers profusely from circular reasoning, "facts" with no support, and sources that don't matter."

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1. Have you read it?

2. Another reviewer wrote, "Originally published in 1972, Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell has been a trusted resource for believers seeking to always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks for a reason for the hope that is in them (1 Peter 3:15). But as McDowell notes in the foreword, we are to do so with gentleness and respect. That is certainly the tone that comes through throughout this book."