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Why was she shutdown from continuing her line of questions by the repubs who hired her in the first place?

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Answer: The general answer is that she did such a poor job of questioning Dr. Ford that there was little use in allowing her to continue, not to mention that it was time for someone to come to Kavanaugh's support as the dems had done with Dr. Ford. The specific situatioun you raised was because there was nothing there, as I pointed out earlier. But even if there was, why didn't the democrats pursue it? So that's my question to you, now that I have answered yours. Why didn't the democrats pursue it if there was something to it, as you say? Why did they never come back to it? Are they really, in your view, that stupid as to let something like that go unaddressed if it was, as you suggest, incriminating?

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That was the question for me, was Kavanaugh capable of such a thing and the answer was a decisive YES.

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I've got some news for you. Most of us, in our teen years, were capable of a great many terrible things. I imagine you were, and I know I was. If not for the saving power of Christ, I would be who knows where right now. But because we were capable of evil did not mean we did it. That is excruciatingly poor reasoning with which to find a man guilty. If that makes him guilty, then what does it make you, or make me?

As I've said a dozen times, it's all about politics. The dems are perfectly willing to destroy a man and impugn his character just in order to make political points. That's the really sickening thing about this. And they are using Dr. Ford, against her original wishes, to try and do that. Shameful.

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but if you have been around addicts and alcoholics

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Let me remind you that I have been working with addicts for 10 years now.

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But because we were capable of evil did not mean we did it. That is excruciatingly poor reasoning with which to find a man guilty.

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Why are the men who are now coming forward to accuse priests (men of God!) of sexual abuse 30+ years ago believed? And the priests are deemed guilty.

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Why are the men who are now coming forward to accuse priests (men of God!) of sexual abuse 30+ years ago believed? And the priests are deemed guilty.

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They are not always believed, but when they are, I think it is because there are several credible accusers who remember the details well. You don't have that in this situation. Might add that there is no potential political profit to be found in those accusations as there is here, so the motive is not open to suspicion.

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They are not always believed, but when they are, I think it is because there are several credible accusers who remember the details well. You don't have that in this situation. Might add that there is no potential political profit to be found in those accusations as there is here, so the motive is not open to suspicion.

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Credible accusers "who remember the details well"???? The accusers of priests are young teens or preteens, and the sexual abuse happened many years ago. And the young men are going up against (homosexual?) priests in the Catholic Church, so yes, to many, the motive IS open to suspicion.

Whose motive? The young boys?

Whatever your meaning, it all still comes down to evidence. Evidence is the driver in our country. No matter if it's grown men or boys accusing a priest of crimes from years ago, or grown women accusing a judge of crimes from years ago. There must be evidence. In the case of Dr. Ford, the evidence certainly seems to point to her story being untrue. Four witnesses which she named, including a close friend, all say they do not remember what she says happening. Grown women by the dozens and dozens saying Kavanaugh has always behaved honorably towards them. Sorry. I know you want to believe Dr. Ford, but the evidence just doesn't point in that direction.

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The grown boys have evidence against the abusive priests? As for Kavanaugh, apparently you aren't keeping up with the news.

predictably the Dems are already undermining the FBI investigation they demanded calling it not enough and not credible .

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The grown boys have evidence against the abusive priests?

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Uhm... that's kind of how the law works. No evidence... no case.

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As for Kavanaugh, apparently you aren't keeping up with the news.

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Not sure what you are talking about. If you mean the FBI investigation, then that has the potential to be explosive for both sides. If the FBI completes an investigation and finds nothing more than what is presently known, then the dems will look like idiots and Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

Of course I'm sure the democrats will then get right on top of taking care of the Cory Booker and Keith Ellison cases. Because, you know, they really, really believe in protecting and supporting women.

Wait! You forgot to mention Hillary!

Go Fund Me has now raised over 700 thousand dollars for Dr. Ford. Hmmm. Doesn't have to pay any attorneys fees either. Hmmm again. Now do I think she did this for the money? No, not really, but it is a little strange.

Well of course people do it for the money, there will be the book and later the movie rights. This is opportunism. Just remember people cannot be convicted of their thoughts and capabilities just their actions

Read this on the news this morning about accuser#3, Julie Swetnick. You can't make this stuff up. Especially interesting is the part about her making false allegations against co-workers. Not saying she was guilty, but remember that we are now in the age where simply making the accusation is sufficient to prove the case. Who needs evidence??

"Allegations laid out against her in the lawsuit include engaging in unwelcome sexually offensive conduct and making false and retaliatory allegations that other co-workers had engaged in inappropriate conduct toward her.The suit claimed Swetnick engaged in unwelcome sexual innuendo with two male employees at a business lunch with clients present and that she claimed two other co-workers sexually harassed her.
Webtrends, a web analytics company, determined Swetnick acted inappropriately but could not prove the allegations against her co-workers.
“Based on its investigations, Webtrends determined that Swetnick had engaged in inappropriate conduct, but that no corroborating evidence existed to support Swetnick’s allegations against her coworkers,” the complaint said."

And she is the "credible witness" that Athos referred to?

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Based on credible witnesses, he is a mean, nasty drunk prone to abusing women. These witnesses will be interviewed by the FBI this weekend and next week.

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She is but one of 3.. with more on the way, dude, but what do you care about the millions of assault victims with NO evidence? What's your advice to them that have none? What should THEY do? Maybe Dr. Ford has no evidence, now or then, and all she can do is report it. What should be done after it's reported?

And why don't girls and women report sexual assault after it has happened? The high majority of us have endured various levels of abuse and/or assault. Sometimes it's by males whose names we don't know and never see again. And if we know the name(s) and we first report it to a parent or, when we're older, a spouse, guess what we're too often told: "It's over and done with, so forget about it" or "Talking about this publicly will bring shame on our family" or "What did you do to make him come after you?"

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She is but one of 3.. with more on the way, dude, but what do you care about the millions of assault victims with NO evidence? What's your advice to them that have none? What should THEY do? Maybe Dr. Ford has no evidence, now or then, and all she can do is report it. What should be done after it's reported?

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OK dude, you missed the point about credibility. None of the three has a credible story. Sorry, but that's just how it is. The evidence and witnesses do not support their stories. Simply being female does not make a person credible.

As to what should be done, well according to you, the answer is to send several thousand potentially innocent men to jail. No evidence required. Honestly, it would be poetic justice if you turned out to be one of those innocent men in jail. Should it ever happen, just be content to know that you have contributed to the cause of political correctness.

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And why don't girls and women report sexual assault after it has happened? The high majority of us have endured various levels of abuse and/or assault. Sometimes it's by males whose names we don't know and never see again. And if we know the name(s) and we first report it to a parent or, when we're older, a spouse, guess what we're too often told: "It's over and done with, so forget about it" or "Talking about this publicly will bring shame on our family" or "What did you do to make him come after you?"

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That is certainly a legitimate point, but it did not happen in the case of Dr. Ford. She never reported it to anyone who then told her to just forget it. In fact, she never reported it period until about 30 years later.

I know you two care nothing about justice. Your approach is, "A woman made the accusation, so it just has to be true. The evidence be hanged." And, of course, you can use this to take down a potential conservative voice on the Supreme Court. Truthfully, that is what this is all about. This has nothing to do with justice for women. It is all political. No one amongst the senate democrats cares one cent about Dr. Ford. She is just a pawn in their game of politics. If Kavanaugh was a left winger, we would not be having this conversation. Want proof? Look at Bill Clinton, Cory Booker, and Keith Ellison. What libs have called for justice for their victims? If you said "no one", you got it right. On this thread, it is up to me to bring up their names. You two never mention them because, I think, you don't care about them. It's all sickening to me, the blatant hypocrisy of people trying to act like the champions of women's rights.

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I know you two care nothing about justice.

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I have two brothers, a (male) husband, gave birth to two sons, and would want justice done if any of them were ever accused of sexual assault or abuse. And by justice, I mean that every attempt would be made to discover the facts and that the abuser/assaulter, even if it's my relative, be punished for his crime.

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If Kavanaugh was a left winger, we would not be having this conversation

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Yes, we would. Actually, I'm a registered Republican who votes for the person, no matter his political label, who I think will do the best job.

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You two never mention them because, I think, you don't care about them.

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But they aren't the point of this discussion.

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But they aren't the point of this discussion.

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Actually, Booker is very much a part of the Kavanaugh discussion since he is a senator who was asking questions and has admitted to groping a girl in high school. No, I think you guys don't mention him because there is no political profit to be had in it.

So you would be content if a husband/son of yours was convicted in the court of public opinion on the basis of the testimony of one woman whose own story is contradicted by the testimony of her four witnesses? If so, then we just live in different worlds. If not, then why aren't you at least open to the possibility that Kavanaugh is possibly, maybe even likely, innocent?

I know you love pontificating and blithering on and misquoting, misreading, or just plan missing something but it's a simple question "

what do you care about the millions of assault victims with NO evidence? What's your advice to them that have none? What should THEY do? Maybe Dr. Ford has no evidence, now or then, and all she can do is report it. What should be done after it's reported? " I made no assumptions, just said it bears a closer look. A lack of evidence has nothing to do with credibility, though you make it sound like it. You are denying the whole problem. Women never get assaulted unless they can prove it? No wonder they are easy prey for predators and drunks, and lunatics.

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Simply being female does not make a person credible.

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But being a man does? Obviously since repubs wanted NO investigation.

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Actually, Booker is very much a part of the Kavanaugh discussion since he is a senator who was asking questions and has admitted to groping a girl in high school. No, I think you guys don't mention him because there is no political profit to be had in it.

So you would be content if a husband/son of yours was convicted in the court of public opinion on the basis of the testimony of one woman whose own story is contradicted by the testimony of her four witnesses? If so, then we just live in different worlds. If not, then why aren't you at least open to the possibility that Kavanaugh is possibly, maybe even likely, innocent?

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You have reality and BS all mixed up. You never even rechecked your lie about 4 people contradicting Fords story. Okay show me where THEY said it didn't happen.

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You have reality and BS all mixed up. You never even rechecked your lie about 4 people contradicting Fords story. Okay show me where THEY said it didn't happen.

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Here they are: PJ Smyth, Mark Judge, Kavanaugh, and Leland Ingham Keyser. Obviously you will discount Kavanaugh, but what of the other three named by Ford? Looks like the only nonsense here belongs to you. https://www.weeklystandard.com/john-...with-kavanaugh

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what do you care about the millions of assault victims with NO evidence? What's your advice to them that have none? What should THEY do? Maybe Dr. Ford has no evidence, now or then, and all she can do is report it. What should be done after it's reported?

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I would not suggest we use your strategy of convicting a man with virtually no evidence. Sadly, things happen everyday for which the guilty are not held responsible in this life, but there is another day coming at which the truth will be known. Beyond that, I don't know what to tell them. Natalie Holloway was plainly murdered several years ago. No one was ever brought to trial, and her body was never found. What a tragedy. What shall we do about, throw Tal in jail and say he did it? There are some incidents in life for which man has no answer. What's your advice?