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Originally Posted by tomder55

I never said ID was science. You say Darwinism is science even though it has more holes in it than swiss cheese . If your idea of science is Darwinism is fact then folks like you would not get off the ground. btw ;building a rocket ship is an engineering feat .

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Yes in the end even Darwin said he was wrong, pity he wasn't more precise or scientific in that statement. Evolution is theory, AGW is theory

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Yes in the end even Darwin said he was wrong

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That's one of those urban myths:
Darwin

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's one of those urban myths:
Darwin

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Wow, you used Answersingenesis as a reliable source?

Darwin was well and healthy when he spoke of concerns about the lack of transitional fossils which would've proved his hypothesis .He hoped in the future that some would be found. But that never happened

Steve,
Is it not a good explanation?
You can try:
Deathbed conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Or
Inquiring Minds Newsletter
Or
John van Wyhe explodes some myths about Darwin | Science | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Steve,
Is it not a good explanation?
You can try:
Deathbed conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
or
Inquiring Minds Newsletter
or
John van Wyhe explodes some myths about Darwin | Science | The Guardian

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I'm not the one who put the myth out there, just surprised you would give that group any credibility, them being a leading proponent of creationism and all.

Science and the Bible

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them being a leading proponent of creationism and all.

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So if they say it's a myth it's a pretty good chance it is. ;-)

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Science and the Bible

The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible.

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Oh dear.. that's funny. :D

Is this a push to replace science books in schools with the bible?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Is this a push to replace science books in schools with the bible?

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You could do worse but of course you would be a little lacking on detail but some interesting experiments could be held

Healing
Speaking to rocks
Parting seas
Walking on water
Stopping time
Fighting battles with musicians

All of which proves you have to have God with you if you are going to do these things

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Is this a push to replace science books in schools with the bible?

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There is a place for both, it is the exclusion of one in favour of the other that is the evil

Would you feel the same if it was a bible from another religion? There are many you know.

I'm not against the study of comparative religion as long as none are deliberately excluded.
It too is in the category of there are alternative views. You see evolution is an alternative view and should be taught in comparative religion

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You see evolution is an alternative view and should be taught in comparative religion

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Except that by definition religions are based on faith whereas evolution is based on observable facts.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Except that by definition religions are based on faith whereas evolution is based on observable facts.

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Evolution is as much based on faith as any religion since its central tenents remain unproven

I guess everything is faith to you, facts can be discarded.

I'm waiting for the facts to be presented

Education is a good start.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

hey Ex the big bang theory or "evolution" is just another flawed computer model. We could actually be sitting inside a black hole. If we were that would explain a lot of things

Has the Big Bang theory been busted? | Space, Military and Medicine | News.com.au

what happens to your religion of science and evolution now?

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The article is not accurate in a couple of areas in relation to the Big Bang. Firstly, the theory itself doesn't say anything about a single point in the universe where the Big Bang occurred.

Secondly, the theory does explain why there is a uniform temperature. The"lack of time" idea is bound up in the so called, "inflationary period" of expansion.

The other point worth mentioning is that evolution of the universe and biological evolution are not the same subject matter. In other words, the methodology used in biological evolution can not be used when trying to explain the evolution of the universe.