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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

This is what I mean by a reluctance to address the actual problem. Most people prefer to talk around the problem. Some type of transgender student legislation is nonsense. It is just one more example that comes out of educational relativism.

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To them that is the problem, inclusiveness is more important than education.

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Originally Posted by cdad

Nah they wouldnt do that to innocent children. Opps. Yeah they would.

California's Transgender Student Bill Signed By Gov. Jerry Brown

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Governor Moonbeam couldn't let Massachusetts out-PC them.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

To them that is the problem, inclusiveness is more important than education.

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Both sides are the problem. It called the blame game. This is why the problem will never be addressed.

I'm not calling for a conservative indoctrination instead, I'm calling for common sense.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'm not calling for a conservative indoctrination instead, I'm calling for common sense.

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I think we are starting to get closer to the core issue.

You won't get common sense because education is a political football. The common sense view would be an agreement whereby unacceptable education legislation is reviewed, modified or banned.

The irony is that you are would be stuck with a prospect of diminishing state rights. To me it seems that the independence of the state will always take precedence above any other issue. If this is true then there is no genuine solution.

We need to include and educate at the same time. That's always been my point when I ask what of the kids who can't win the lottery, or there are not enough slot for their choices. Its controlled segregation I am against, be it a minority, gay, or transgender or whatever else.

Yes parents are the first line of education and we should have a very large say in what our kids are exposed to and taught, but hidden prejudices and veiled self interest has to be dealt with to be better than the separate but equal crap we have put up with for so long. I mean damn, now kids going to the bathroom is a bone of contention and derision? That's a bit crazy to me.

If airlines, busses and trains can solve the problem, why can't a school. Maybe a design upgrade is the simple solution, but the real issue is curriculum, and a safe secure healthy environment to grow productive kids. Seems you need more than just teachers and parents working together to bridge gaps. You need a whole host of people to support a school. More than just arming teacher, but segregating the poor and limiting their choices is unacceptable.

All kids are apparently not equal, and separate. So if anyone wants to get specific lets have at it.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

We need to include and educate at the same time. That's always been my point when I ask what of the kids who can't win the lottery, or their are not enough slot for their choices. Its controlled segregation I am against, be it a minority, gay, or transgender or whatever else.

Yes parents are the first line of education and we should have a very large say in what our kids are exposed to and taught, but hidden prejudices and veiled self interest has to be dealt with to be better than the separate but equal crap we have put up with for so long. I mean damn, now kids going to the bathroom is a bone of contention and derision? That's a bit crazy to me.

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I don't know why it's crazy to you, when you "include" by allowing any kid that claims they're really the other gender inside to use whatever restroom you open a new can of worms. Perhaps the first time some girl that claims she's a guy gets raped in the restroom while some other boys hold the door shut someone might get a clue, but I doubt it.

I addressed this previously here:

Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - It's for the children

And cdad raised a good point here:

Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Does Gay Marriage Infringe on Your Religous Liberty?

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Perhaps the first time some girl that claims she's a guy gets raped in the restroom while some other boys hold the door shut someone might get a clue, but I doubt it.

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Or when one of these transformers walks into a girls room to gawk.

So transgender and gay people should go back in the closet and be 2nd class citizens because you don't like them? If YOUR kid breaks the law he goes to jail, so you better teach him at home how to behave, and not be a bully.

Jut curious if you had a better solution than segregation or discrimination and denial of equal protection under the law. Specifically where do gays and transgender's go to the bathroom?

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or when one of these transformers walks into a girls room to gawk.

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Actually, that's not what would happen. Gawk at WHAT?

Come on WG, some make up all kind of scenarios to justify their fears and dislikes and discriminate against those they hate.

All men are created equal if we say so. If you are not accepted as part of the we, then you cannot be equal.

So you see no potential issues with this policy?

Everyone should use communal crappers

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Originally Posted by tomder55

everyone should use communal crappers

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Problem solved. NEXT!!

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Actually, that's not what would happen. Gawk at WHAT?

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What do you think? Do kids typically shower with their clothes on?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

everyone should use communal crappers

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So we can go back to the days of public baths and latrines.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Problem solved. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!

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What's your solution then? OH... you don't have one.

There is no problem... men's bathrooms and women's bathrooms worked since the days of indoor plumbing .

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What do you think? Do kids typically shower with their clothes on?

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Women's bathrooms don't have showers. There are individual cubicles, and we have no idea what someone is doing in the next cubicle (except maybe talking on her cell phone).