Here are the official words of the Mahdi-hatter ,published yesterday from his office according to the official state-run Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA)

"It has now been some 400 years that a horrendous Zionist clan has been ruling the major world affairs, and behind the scenes of the major power circles, in political, media, monetary and banking organizations in the world, they have been the decision makers...” the Iranian president claimed.

"The Zionist regime is both the symbol of the hegemony of the Zionism over the world and the means in the hand of the oppressor powers for expansion of their hegemony in the region and in the world,” he went on.

"The Qods Day is not merely a strategic solution for the Palestinian problem, as it is to be viewed as a key for solving the world problems; any freedom lover and justice seeker in the world must do its best for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the path for the establishment of justice and freedom in the world,” he declared.

"Zionism is the modern times plight of the human society and when we meet the European politicians they say speak transparently about everything, but they refrain from talking about the Zionist regime, which proves that Israel is the axis of unity of the world hegemonic powers,” he added.
Ahmadinejad: Qods Day to liberate Palestine, solve entire world problems

Now ,Israel has a sworn ememy speaking like that ,and building the weapon necessary to make it happen . Why should they wait for the missiles to start flying ?

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Now ,Israel has a sworn ememy speaking like that ,and building the weapon necessary to make it happen . Why should they wait for the missiles to start flying ?

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[sarc]Surely you don't take that kind of talk from nutjob like that seriously.[/sarc]

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Now ,Israel has a sworn ememy speaking like that ,and building the weapon necessary to make it happen . Why should they wait for the missiles to start flying ?

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Israel has a had a sworn enemy for a long time Tom and many more than Ahmamadjihad, they have prevailed. Any use of atomic weapons in the region will not aid the palestinians since it is likely to kill as many of them as Israeli's and I don't have doubt Ahmamadjihad knows this. A slight miscalculation and he would solve the palestinian question forever.
What you have here is more rhetoric to deflect the argument away from his internal issues.
If he attacks Juresalem he destroys one of Islam's holiest sites, if he hits Gaza or the west bank he destroys the palestinians. Israel can deal with this threat in the way they have shown they are very good at, in the shadows.

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Any use of atomic weapons in the region will not aid the palestinians since it is likely to kill as many of them as Israeli's and I don't have doubt Ahmamadjihad knows this. A slight miscalculation and he would solve the palestinian question forever.

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You really think he cares about the Palestinian ? You really think the rest of the Arab world does?

No Tom I know they don't care they would have invaded again by now if they did, No the fate of the palestinians is sealed, the arabs know a lot about conquered peoples and right now they have other concerns. Lebanon has torn itself apart, Syria is tearing itself apart, Jordan is happy to let them go, Egypt can't get itself together let alone be concerned about the palestinians. Perhaps there is poetic justice in there somewhere. Right now they are the pawns in the great game being played this time by the US and Russia with Iran in the middle

Not quite .The Great Game being played there is between the Ottomans,the Sauds ,Egypt , and the Persians for control of the Levant . Hamas paid a price for breaking with Iran over Syria .But they are on the rebound because they have aligned themselves with the Brotherhood . 500,000 Palestinians are in Syrian ;and their allegiance is up for grabs .

Would that the US had shown any leadership role( Obama secret executive orders notwithstanding ) .Instead we allowed the UN and Koffi Annan to manage another massacre .The incompetent and criminal Annan resigned with more blood on his hands .

Don't blame Annan for what has no doubt been instigated by the US, As we say he was on a hiding to nothing from the start, the UN is a spent force, always will be while the veto exists, it was never intended to be more than a discussion forum. No, the US could have done much more but decided for obvious reasons to stand back and watch. Don't worry, I expect those 500,000 palestinians will somehow disappear before this conflict is finished because they will have to decide which side they are on and it is very easy to choose the wrong side after all they have had much experience in making wrong choices.

The great game is not about the firtile crescent, it is about the oil. For the moment it is controlled by the arabs, but the iranians know its worth and so do the americans. Russia's interest is in keeping the americans in check and it can play the iranian pawn, just as it is playing the syrian pawn now

There is an active Russian engagement there because, unlike Obama,they see a danger in a regional rebalancing solutuon.
But ,the is powers in the region competing to fill the vacuum of America's retreat are Iran ,Turkey ,Egypt(the Brotherhood) ,and to a lesser extent ,the Sauds.

The US is NOT engaged in the rebalancing even though Assad's survival means a Persian win as the hegemon in the region. Why is the US not engaged except for pompus declarations from the President ,and limitted ,ineffective covert support for the rebels ? Because Obama campaigned on the very notion of regional rebalancing without active US participation .

I honestly don't care what the rest of the world thinks of the US role in the world . It is contradictory ;and we are damned if you do ;damned if you don't .
Prior to WWII the world resented the US because we didn't intervene . But during the Cold War ,that same world resented our interventions . You have expressed that contradiction many times here. What Obama doesn't get ;and I sense Romney does; is that US has to be guided by our own self interest .World resentment cannot drive US policy .The world can resent all they want. It still expects the US to lead. There is more instability in a vacuum ;and if not us ;some other nation(s) will fill it.
The course that Obama has led us on is contributing to instability. I suspect eventually ,whether we like it or not ,we will be called upon to intervene by those same forces that resent US intervention.

Pull the other one Tom it plays dixie, of course america is involved, covertly no doubt but involved

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Now ,Israel has a sworn ememy speaking like that ,and building the weapon necessary to make it happen . Why should they wait for the missiles to start flying ?

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Hello again, tom:

Couple things..

I remember MAD. The only way MAD worked is because we BELIEVED the other side wasn't crazy, and they weren't. I don't believe the Iranians are crazy.

So, what are you talking about, anyway? Wiping THEM off the map first? Starting WWIII? Nahhh. We don't want to do that... You thought Saddam was crazy. Thought a war there would be a good idea. It wasn't. If you liked that war, you'll LOVE this one..

excon

You want to start worrying about the chinese not the Iranians, your posturing in the pacific is upsetting them and they are nuclear capable and have the capacity to cripple you economically

Mitt had to skip a few countries on his presidential tour. Here's one,

Romney Persona Non Grata in Italy for Bain's Deal Skirting Taxes - Bloomberg

This is about Mitt and not the middle east ain't it. Or was it about collecting money? You think he cares about history, other than his own? And who PROFITS from an Israeli strike? We don't, but Mitt and Cheney do.

When you are a politician you only go where you are welcome, is that why Obama takes so few trips?

He takes lots of trips to the golf course .

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Hello again, tom:

Couple things..

I remember MAD. The only way MAD worked is because we BELIEVED the other side wasn't crazy, and they weren't. I don't believe the Iranians are crazy.

So, what are you talking about, anyway? Wiping THEM off the map first? Starting WWIII? Nahhh. We don't wanna do that... You thought Saddam was crazy. Thought a war there would be a good idea. It wasn't. If you liked that war, you'll LOVE this one..

excon

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The regime is crazy . No I am not talking about US armed intervention ;although the path Obama is leading us on is a path where armed intervention will be our only option. He had his chance in 2009 to support the rebels in Iran. That was the last best chance to stop the regime peacefully.

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Mitt had to skip a few countries on his presidential tour. Here's one,

Romney Persona Non Grata in Italy for Bain's Deal Skirting Taxes - Bloomberg

This is about Mitt and not the middle east ain't it. Or was it about collecting money? You think he cares about history, other than his own? And who PROFITS from an Israeli strike? We don't, but Mitt and Cheney do.

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Clearly there was no wrongdoing .

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Boston-based Bain wasn’t a subject of the inquiries, which didn’t result in any charges.

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By what definition Tom, he wasn't caught?

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The sale of the government's directory business is “a dark chapter in the country's privatization history, one that has hurt Italians deeply,” said Bernardo Bortolotti, an economics professor at Turin University who advised the Italian Treasury on asset sales from 2002 through 2005. “It was a mistake from the start, damaged by a lack of transparency and the use of offshore funds.”

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How do you know how legal it was, or is without records and data to examine? Even if it was legal, maybe what we will find is the blatant extraction of wealth we have always been accusing the rich, job creator plutocracy of as they and your candidate want more loot from the economy.

Bloomberg has done a great job of documenting how your candidate and his cronies have done this through out the European nations. And for the record, Mr Obama draws crowds that Romney could only dream of when he travels. It's a fact you guys rage raw about all the money he spends on YOUR dime.

This story won't go away, its just to good, and will get deeper.

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How do you know how legal it was, or is without records and data to examine? Even if it was legal, maybe what we will find is the blatant extraction of wealth we have always been accusing the rich, job creator plutocracy of as they and your candidate want more loot from the economy.

Bloomberg has done a great job of documenting how your candidate and his cronies have done this through out the European nations. And for the record, Mr Obama draws crowds that Romney could only dream of when he travels. It's a fact you guys rage raw about all the money he spends on YOUR dime.

This story won't go away, its just to good, and will get deeper.

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The only story here is the Italians were morons.

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The sale of the government’s directory business is “a dark chapter in the country’s privatization history, one that has hurt Italians deeply,” said Bernardo Bortolotti, an economics professor at Turin University who advised the Italian Treasury on asset sales from 2002 through 2005. “It was a mistake from the start, damaged by a lack of transparency and the use of offshore funds.”

While few ordinary Italians realize the link between Romney and the investor group, the deal symbolizes Italy’s economic woes and government futility

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So we have a choice between a guy who never ran anything in his life, has an over 8 percent unemployment rate hanging over his head for years, and a guy that keeps showing over and over again how successful he is at running whatever he puts his hand to. You guys just can't stand success in a free market.

No the choice is between the rich getting more at your expense and mine, AND our children, OR a fair shake for 99% of us.

That free market crap is a lie, to hide the stealing, and you are for that?? You get the same results from the free market as you do from a casino. You can't afford either one so where is the free part?