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Originally Posted by excon

You can continue to believe BIG businessmen, who can afford to SIT on the sidelines with their MILLIONS, or you can believe a guy who actually RUNS a small business...

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You seem to be under the illusion that I can't believe both.

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Take Boeing for example. You've been complaining about how Obama is treating Boeing... He musta REALLY hit them with a "wet blanket". They'll never get any business... Poor Boeing... I'm SURE they'll keep their capital on the SIDELINES, in SPITE of the HUMONGOUS order they just got for airplanes... So much for wet blankets.

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Boeing has been accused of wrongdoing for daring to put people to work in a right to work state. Whatever millions or billions they have to sit on is irrelevant, they are being persecuted for putting non-union people to work even though they have fully complied with the rules concerning “runaway shops”.

No one in Washington lost a job and in fact Boeing has added 2000 jobs while creating another 1000 jobs in South Carolina. You tell those thousand workers in South Carolina they can't really have those jobs because you don't feel sorry for Being, OK?

Relax Steve, Boeing like other multinational companies use whatever leverage they can get to off set union leverage to working conditions, and collective bargaining, wages, and benefits. Often the result is wage stagnation, which companies love more than anything, that starts in the right to work states, and out sourcing and moving to another country where the labor is cheap, and benefits and work rules are non-existent. That's what the lawsuit is about, LEVERAGE. I am all for jobs, not slavery, and leverage is about MONEY, and quiet as its kept, Boeing's Carolina plant, non union as it is, is still covered under a collective bargaining agreement, so what's the difference? Union dues. Less money for unions, less leverage for workers, like yourself.

Boeing has plenty of lawyers, and plants, so don't cry to hard for them.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Boeing has plenty of lawyers, and plants, so don't cry to hard for them.

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So I take it that A), you're OK with the administration putting their boot on the neck of Boeing for no lawful reason and B), 1000 jobs not being created in South Carolina. You can help ex tell those workers they can't have their jobs because Boeing deserves it.

They can bring the jobs from Europe back over here too, or even better, give the workers in Carolina the same thing as they do in Washington, leverage over work conditions, rules, and benefits. You know that includes due process for advancements and firings also don't you? Why wouldn't they? Don't you have that where you work Steve?

Lets be logical, can your boss arbitrarily fire you, and hire his brother in law? And none of this the boss likes you as a retort, or anything about what a great and valuable worker you are. He can still replace you with his brother in law right??

Screw bringing jobs back from Europe.

Europe has MUCH better working conditions than the US.

Bring the jobs back from Asia, Africa, and South America.

You see what happened in Mexico, when all the factory jobs went there, before they started crossing the oceans. Don't tell me "the job creators" aren't looking for willing slaves.

Hello again, Steve:

Wynn Resorts' 2011 second-quarter earnings were up more than $300 million from the same period of 2010. Its stock price has more than tripled since June 2009.

Wish I had one of them "wet blankets".

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Wynn Resorts’ 2011 second-quarter earnings were up more than $300 million from the same period of 2010. Its stock price has more than tripled since June 2009.

Wish I had one of them "wet blankets".

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It wasn't from a good showing in this country.

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Wynn's results benefited from rapid gains in the Macau casino business. Gambling revenue in the Chinese territory rose 45% from a year earlier in the January-June period, after a 58% surge for all of last year. Macau, the only place in China where casino gambling is legal, overtook the Las Vegas Strip as the world's biggest gambling market in 2006 and is poised to rake in five times the Strip's gambling revenue this year.

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Sounds like a "wet blanket" to me. Except of course in Macau.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

They can bring the jobs from Europe back over here too, or even better, give the workers in Carolina the same thing as they do in Washington, leverage over work conditions, rules, and benefits.

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Or, they can just not create jobs at all. It's a damned easy choice Tal, job or no job. Obama would rather Boeing not create any jobs if they aren't union jobs.

So, like I said, you and ex can tell those 1000 people in South Carolina that job they've been waiting for has been canceled because you don't feel sorry for Being. After that the two of you can get together and offer some "shared sacrifice" to feed them.

Get the facts Steve, the plant has been built, and the jobs being filled, and I doubt anything changes that and the courts will decide if the lawsuit that's been filed has merit, or not. If Boeing broke the law, damages will be assessed, but I seriously doubt they close the plant.

I understand your feelings, but the facts don't support your concerns. The real question is if Boeing expanded to make more planes, to meet demand, or is this a union busting tactic. Be years before that's known, or if the lawsuit has merit.

Don't panic, and get carried away by perception, until the facts have presented themselves. I would caution you on jumping on the band wagon of any multinational corporation at this time, until more is revealed as to their agenda, which is making money, and lots of it. Not whether YOU as an American has a job.

And oh, don't forget, the poor and jobless are fed through Medicaid, your taxes we all share in. That's up to the state, if they are eligible or not.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I understand your feelings, but the facts don't support your concerns. The real question is if Boeing expanded to make more planes, to meet demand, or is this a union busting tactic. Be years before thats known, or if the lawsuit has merit.

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Then by all means show me the facts.

A lawsuit was filed and its up to a judge to decide the MERITS of the suit, before it can proceed. That hasn't been done yet.

The plant is built and hiring is being done, production is already under way.

That's all the facts so far. The rest is just speculation, and opinion

The process has only just started. If Boeing was worried about closing a brand new plant, would they just keep going with it??

Charged with what? What are the merits? I'll tell what they are, there are none. And that's a fact.

To bad you have no standing, just an opinion.

What are the merits of the case, Tal? You tell me. What exactly did Being do wrong that brought the weight of the federal government down on them - what law(s) did they break?

Union-Boeing lawsuit may take years - Local - TheSunNews.com

Read the links in the story as well and look at other lawsuits against Boeing. This goes back a few decades.

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Union-Boeing lawsuit may take years - Local - TheSunNews.com

Read the links in the story as well and look at other lawsuits against Boeing. This goes back a few decades.

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The NLRB seeks to force Boeing to move this work to Washington based on what? I have already noted they have added workers in Washington. No union workers there lost their jobs, jobs have been created in both states. How is that retaliation or union busting? It's win-win, but this administration would rather have the workers in SC lose than have both sides win.

The House Committee on Education and the Workplace Thursday took steps to reign in the NLRB's authority to regulate private business decisions plant locations. They pushed the bill out of committee ,to the floor for a full House vote.

I think it important that they came down in favor of a business making decisions on where they operate ;and the right of workers to be free from forced unionism. Now we will get an up or down vote for the nation to see which Reps are for workers and business rights... and for states to have the power to designate the state a 'right to work' state and not get penalized by the Levithian for it.

Can't form a union without voting for it. Not giving private corporation rules and guidelines has ALWAYS led to economic disaster.

Maybe you trust rich people, and corporations to police themselves, I don't. And they have never done anything in history to change that opinion. All we have as a counter balance is unions, and government, as flawed as they both may be.

Again you take it to the extreme. I neither said that there shouldn't be labor rules nor did I contend that companies should be free to operate without rules.
The unions did their jobs in getting labor laws on the books.Fine ,good for them ,they fulfilled their raison d'etre .If you think Boeing is going to exploit the workers in the new plant you're nuts . I'm sure it will be one of the choicest jobs to have in the region.