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Originally Posted by smoothy

You won't get stoned to death by the Christian right anyplace in the world, in fact most on the christian right don't give a damn what you do in the bedroom......you will get stoned to death in an Islamic country where Sharia is the rule of law.

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Yea but that wasn't what I was commenting on was it? You keep moving the goal posts. ADHD?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Yea but that wasn't what I was commenting on was it? You keep moving the goal posts. ADHD?

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I responded to YOUR comments. And it's a valid answer to your comment. You compared the Christian right to Islam telling you what you can do in the bedroom.

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...think 1984, its even in the bedroom telling what you can do and how often.

Sounds like the Christian right.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

If you were a Combat Veteran like you said

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He was and didn't run from the scene, but stuck it out and sucked it up and was there for his buddies.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

He was and didn't run from the scene, but stuck it out and sucked it up and was there for his buddies.

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Go back and read the rest of the post again you clipped that segment out of instead of editing a quote heavily and presenting it out of context.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Hey Tom who's asking you to cower, this is the opportunity to show strength and show India the same consideration you have shown Afghanistan unless of course you side with pakistan, difficult to know who your friends are, but a few drones should sort things out, after all they are Muslim militants, arn't they?

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I do have to give you credit as one of the few people who get AfPakia in the broader context of the India -Pakistan conflicts. I for one am sympathetic with the separatist inside Kashmir. Being part of either Pakistan of India doesn't do them justice.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Go back and read the rest of the post again you clipped that segment out of instead of editing a quote heavily and presenting it out of context.

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I was remarking on his behavior vs. yours.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was remarking on his behavior vs. yours.

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No... you heavily edit a quote and throw it out there like that was actually a single quote I made when that is NOT what I wrote in that thread...

That is rude, and dishonest to do.

Did you know EXACTLY what it was like to lose a parent until you actually did? Nope

By YOUR claims I can claim that I knew EXACTLY what he felt In Vietnam In the Jungle getting shot at because I saw it on TV.

And the fact is... I can't because I wasn't THERE in Vietnam getting shot at from people I couldn't even see...

Its statements like your and others that actually belittle his experiences as a Combat Vet... because TV can not pass more than images and sound... you can't know what its like to be in a situation unless you were actually there... you may THINK you do... but until you actually are you don't really know what you will do, or how you will react.

... exactly the same as claims by people who were visciosly arguing I can't possibly felt the impact MORE because I was there while THEY saw it on TV.

Ever see a guy get shot in the chest from 20 feet away with a .45 Colt? Ever find a dead body a few days ofter they passed? Was it anything like watching it on TV? Ever see a decapitated body in a traffic accident shortly after it happened? Heck no it wasn't, and honestly, that is a good thing. See I have over the years.


I may not agree with excon on a lot of things... but I do know nobody can claim they know what something is like exactly until they have been there themselves.

And like other things... you don't know what its like in combat unless you yourself were in combat. Its NOT like playing a video game.

I have never belittled anyone's combat service they were honest about. And I get irked when anyone suggests I have.

TV is a poor substitute for reality.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

That is rude, and dishonest to do.

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No, I wasn't being that way. You totally missed the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No, I wasn't being that way. You totally missed the point I was making.

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Well, if you weren't... it certainly appeared that way if you took the time to edit it to read exactly the opposite as it was posted in the thread.

Look at it literally as you quoted it, as if someone did not read the thread you pulled it from. What would it appear to them as?

See my point now?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

See my point now?

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Nope.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Nope. I know Alice and she definately wasn't tripping when she stepped through the mirror.

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What you qouted made it look like a disrespectful swipe at a Combat vet because it was heavily edited.

There was nothing that I wrote in that post that was disrepectful to someone's military service.

Editing a quote is easy... see I did it... but it you are going to quote.. leave sentances intact... it doesn't make it look like you are dreaming stuff up.

Did you or did you not say exactly what is in the quote above?

No... and neither did I say exactly what you had in your guote.


Now lets just say... you misunderstood what I wrote... and your post came across differently than you wanted to say... and leave it at that.

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Nope. I know Alice and she definitely wasn't tripping when she stepped through the mirror.

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Where did the words after "nope" come in? I didn't post them, and I definitely can spell "definitely" correctly!

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What you qouted made it look like a disrespectful swipe at a Combat vet because it was heavily edited.

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What I quoted was a salute to excon for being a brave combat soldier who was wounded in battle.

I too can say: There was nothing that I wrote in that post that was disrespectful to someone's military service.

Same place the words after what you attributed to me went... into and out of the ether.

did you go back and read what I wrote in that post in its entirety?

excon could no more claim to feel EXACTLY what I felt on 9/11 (due to my circumstances that thus far are unique in this thread.) Than I could feel exactly what he felt on patrol in the Nam Jungle because I saw it on TV like he saw 9/11 on TV.

Now this assumes he did actually see combat... I have to assume he did, you said it.. he didn't, but I'm willing to take it as fact.

Unlike most of the left... I don't automatically assume anything the other side says if false.

If you have never been shot... how can you say you know exactly what it feels like when he has (or whatever the injury was).

Fact is... I've never been shot, you've never been shot... there is no way OUR experience can be equal to his on the topic, no matter how active an imagination we might have.

Same issue of the 9/11 experience... there is no way those who were not there could feel EXACTLY the same as those of use who were directly.

Also... the same argument... using the same rules..

is any guy claiming they know exactly what Childbnirth is like... after all, they watched it on TV. Yeah right... you know it hurts like hell, but there is no possible way you can know EXACTLY if you haven't been there and done that yourself.

And there have been HOW many pages arguing TV = Real life experience so far?

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Unlike most of the left....I don't automatically assume anything the other side says if false.

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If you were a Combat Veteran like you said....

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Hello again, smoothy:

No, of course you don't.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I do have to give you credit as one of the few people who get AfPakia in the broader context of the India -Pakistan conflicts. I for one am sympathetic with the separatist inside Kashmir. Being part of either Pakistan of India doesn't do them justice.

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Yes Tom but you have to be sensible, Asia, doesn't need another small land locked country surrounded by belligerent neighbours. It isn't so much separatism but a Muslim majority wanting to be part of Pakistan, not ruled by a Hindu majority nation, which was after all the reason for forming Pakistan. I wouldn't doubt there might be good reasons for the federally administered terrorities being excised from Pakistan because of tensions, also but seriously we can't partition off all the trouble spots.

What Pakistan has to realize is that they have no fear of an India invasion . Then they wouldn't need buffers like Kashmir and Afghanistan .

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What Pakistan has to realize is that they have no fear of an India invasion . Then they wouldn't need buffers like Kashmir and Afghanistan .

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Paranoia, smaller state and, of course, history, both recent and ancient, all figure in this. Kashmir isn't seen as a buffer, but as part of the Ummah and Afghanistan, perhaps it was a buffer against Russia, but I expect it is more of a nuiance and a source of Muslim militancy. Pakistan is a cobbled together nation, diverse ethnic groups and languages. It could take another century to get a true national consensus and they have that shiia/sunni thing going on

Obviously, not only are drawing cartons out of the question, so is joking about it.

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'Everybody Draw Mohammed' Cartoonist Goes Into Hiding

Molly Norris, the Seattle cartoonist whose joking suggestion for an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" earned her a fatwa from religious extremists, has been forced into hiding, for her own safety.

The Seattle Weekly, which ran Norris' comics, said yesterday that "on the insistence of top security specialists at the FBI, she is, as they put it, "going ghost": moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity." For the moment, at least, she's no longer publishing cartoons, or doing anything else, except hiding from cowardly fanatics who would kill a human being over a stupid cartoon.

Outrageous. Come back soon, Molly.

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Go ahead, let's see all you Muslim apologists defend this one.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

except hiding from cowardly fanatics who would kill a human being over a stupid cartoon....... Go ahead, let's see all you Muslim apologists defend this one.

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Hello again, Steve:

I'm sorry, Steve. I don't, and haven't ever apologized for "cowardly fanatics". Muslims, on the other hand, don't need apologizing for, any more than Christians do.

You DID, however, hit the nail on the head with your post... YOU, like smoothy, can't tell the difference between Muslims and fanatics. That's not good.

excon

We see a difference... its the left that can't. They have spent decades fighting anything that hints of christianity who have no "Rights" apparently... They however are quick to back anything Muslims want to do as it being their "right". Even when its Muslims that aren't even American having rights to do anything they want on our soil.