Ask Me Help Desk - Health care legislation update

The Senate bill is the law of the land as soon as the President signs it today... The sucker Stupak sold out to a fiction. The EO by the President is a myth in a number of ways ;most importantly that it cannot trump the law of the land (see Commerce of U.S. v Reich and Hamdan v. Rumsfeld .Once the President signs the Senate version Federal funding for abortions becomes the law.

The sidebar/reconcilliation bill must run a gauntlet of points of order and possibly rewrites and fillibusters . It is unknown how the Dems can navigate this through the reconcilliation process because never before has it been attempted for a major sea-change legislation.
My bet is that the Senate version remains the law and there will be many Dems in the House who feel betrayed over the lack of effort.

Now that the Senate bill is passed ,and signed into law today where is the incentive for POTUS to push any more this session ? Already he has moved on to immigration. The Democrat Representatives who are counting on the reconcilliation bill to save their hide are more sacrificial lambs under the President's bus.

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

You think there MIGHT be a link? Yes, there definitely is a huge link with obesity and fast food there buddy. McDonalds and BK serve "fake food" that does not even mold or rot or decompose! Yup. And yes, I would definitely deprive corporate america of such mass poisoning of America. Some folks are too stupid to know real food from fake food as the fake food has additives and food enhancing flavors and aromas to fool the nose and tastebuds. Well known fact, Para. Even the french fries are fake with all sorts of additives added to real potatoes that people literally crave due to the additives. Proven fact, the typical fast food diner eats their fries first, burgers second.

You don't get do you? You don't attack the addict, you attack the seller of the junk. You bring down corporate america who thinks it's cool to lie and sell fake food just for a quick buck, you close down all the outlets of this junk and make it illegal, but no you won't do that because it's easier to blame the victim. When I buy a burger or chicken that's what I expect to get, not something that has been ground up and reconstituted. And while you are at it you close down tobacco and you close down the alcohol industry because that is corporate america breading disease and poisening america too.

But you won't do that because it will cause unemployment, just as doing something real about health care will cause unemployment too, just think of it unemployed insurance adjusters and lawyers. But No you have a solution that creates employment and maintains employment in the medical industry and the insurance industry

I think the food nazi thread should be separate from the health care thread .

Then again it is all part and partial with the larger problem... the central government being the nanny state to a compliant population that demands more and more services from the government but expects their children to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Then again it is all part and partial with the larger problem ....

The larger problem being that left to their own devices many Americans make poor choices.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The Democrat Representatives who are counting on the reconcilliation bill to save their hide are more sacrificial lambs under the President's bus.

Hello again, tom:

Yup, it's the law of the land... And, I think you're wrong. It's the Republican's who didn't support the bill whose jobs are in jeopardy. You see, I think this is a center LEFT country.

excon

NK

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Canada ranks 35 on a 2007 list of fattest countries with a percentage of 61.1% of its citizens with an unhealthy weight.
In children, obesity has substantially increased between 1989 and 2004 with rates in boys increasing from 2% to 10% and rates among girls increasing from 2% to 9%.

Obesity in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you should tend to your own .

Come November I think a LOT of Americans will be shopping for new representatives in congress. That is the only means we have to control these idiots. Get them out of office, or hobble them.

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Perhaps you should tend to your own .

We do, we have universal health care. :)

But seriously: World's Fattest Countries - Forbes.com
You = 9th, us = 35th

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Come November I think a LOT of Americans will be shopping for new representatives in congress. That is the only means we have to control these idiots. Get them out of office, or hobble them.

Good luck! Your politicians don't represent you, they represent big business - because the free market makes the best choices!

You can think we're center left all you want, ex, it won't make it any more true than the notion that Americans wanted this bill passed. I'll give the Dems credit though, for being the slimiest congressional majority and administration in the history of this once great nation.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You can think we're center left all you want, ex, it won't make it any more true than the notion that Americans wanted this bill passed. I'll give the Dems credit though, for being the slimiest congressional majority and administration in the history of this once great nation.

^^
Tea Party-Type hyperbole. LOL!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

^^
Tea Party-Type hyperbole. LOL!

Knee-jerk idiocy, lol.

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I'll give the Dems credit though, for being the slimiest congressional majority and administration in the history of this once great nation.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know. You're proud of Bush, whose legacy is torture, but you don't like the guy whose legacy is health care for all. I think you got things BACKWARDS!

excon

The Dems are doing a lot of damage control this morning . Why does the President still need to go on a campaign to convince the people it is such a good deal after over a year of debate if this country is so leftist ? Why did he have to bribe so many lawmakers to make it happen ?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/ima...lincoln.gi.jpg

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I dunno. You're proud of Bush, whose legacy is torture, but you don't like the guy whose legacy is health care for all. I think you got things BACKWARDS!

Aren't you the one who keeps complaining Obama is too much like Bush? And for at least the 3rd time in as many days I'm all for health care for all, I'm just not for destroying the country in the process.

I've never seen as much slime and brazen contempt for the American people by our elected leaders in all my life as what the Dems have done the past few weeks - and they're busy patting themselves on the back for it. The most ethical congress and administration EVER!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The Dems are doing alot of damage control this morning . Why does the President still need to go on a campaign to convince the people it is such a good deal after over a year of debate if this country is so leftist ? Why did he have to bribe so many lawmakers to make it happen ?

Hello again, tom:

Politics is the art of compromise. That means horse trading. If you think the Republicans didn't engage in it when they were in charge, you're either naïve or blind, or telling stories.

The cool thing about this passage, is that even though the right wing lied through their teeth about it, and the Dems didn't counter at ALL, they still won. I agree with you however. It IS a shame that the president still needs to counter the lies being told today..

excon

PS> I didn't say SO LEFTIST. I said center left. That means there are still some conservative Democrats that needed persuading.

PPS> Have you gone off the rails? I didn't think this passage would upset you so.

PPPS> Maybe NOW, you know how I felt when I saw my beloved country being taken away by TORTURERS.

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PPS> Have you gone off the rails? I didn't think this passage would upset you so.

I always fret when a millstone is placed around me and my family and my nation's neck.If I wanted Euro-nanny statism I would've moved there years ago.

What suprises me is someone who as much as anyone here professes to individualism would so willingly subscribe to this . Don't complain to me about the scope of the power of the central government... as Pelosi says.. the door has been kicked open.

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Good luck! Your politicians don't represent you, they represent big business - because the free market makes the best choices!

If that were even remotely true, why would "big business" cut it's own throats with the universal health care fiasco?

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What suprises me is someone who as much as anyone here professes to individualism would so willingly subscribe to this .

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, I have to wonder about that too... Fortunately, I'm NOT an ideologue. Ideologue's can't get out of their boxes.. I don't have a box.

I'm a believer in individualism, and I'm a believer in a government safety net. I, frankly, don't see a conflict between the two. Of course, if I were a right winged type of person, who buy's into the idea that this is only the first step toward SOCIALISM, I'd be worried too. But, I don't believe the right wing crap. You shouldn't either.

excon