Hello again, Steve:

I don't remember you're being so up in arms when people like me were being accused of being UN American when I didn't go along with the war, the detention, the spying, and any other the's I can think of...

Nor, do I remember you correcting Sarah Palin when she told those little red neck audiences that she finally was in REAL America...

Nope, I don't remember it at all...

I also don't see you putting down Glen Beck or the Limp one for using the Nazi stuff... Or suggesting that Pelosi should be POISONED...

Nope, I don't see ANY of that stuff coming from your side... Besides, I thought you were the TOUGH guys. No??

excon

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I don't remember you're being so up in arms when people like me were being accused of being UN American when I didn't go along with the war, the detention, the spying, and any other the's I can think of...

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I don't recall you being called un-American for such things, but a) I support your right to express your opinion and don't consider that un-American and b) I figure if nothing else you can handle it pretty well yourself.

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Nor, do I remember you correcting Sarah Palin when she told those little red neck audiences that she finally was in REAL America...

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I believe Sarah apologized for that remark. Still waiting on Pelosi, Hoyer and every other ELECTED leader that has disparaged Americans in the last week to apologize.

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I also don't see you putting down Glen Beck or the Limp one for using the Nazi stuff... Or suggesting that Pelosi should be POISONED...

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You'd have to be more specific.

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Nope, I don't see ANY of that stuff coming from your side... Besides, I thought you were the TOUGH guys. No??

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What does TOUGH have to do with it?

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You'd have to be more specific.

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Hello again, Steve:

Well, I was checking out the haps at Fox when I came upon Glen Beck drinking a glass of wine with another glass sitting there. He was pretending that he was sipping Cabernet with Speaker Pelosi... He invited her to take a drink... Then he said he POISONED it...

Did he suggest that somebody poison her?? Maybe.

And, if you haven't been listening to the drugged out limp one for the past two days, you missed the Nazi name calling... But, I didn't... If you want to hear some Nazi name calling, just check out the Wolverines stuff, AND HE'S A JEW!

Soooo, I'm not going to get too upset about Madame Speaker saying somebody is UN American... I don't AGREE with her, but in the context of the general conversation, it's pretty MILD.

What does being tough have to do with it?? I thought tough meant thicker skin... Guess not.

excon

Oh, did I offend your sensibilities, Excon?

I didn't hear you make any comments when Pelosi accused people on the right of toting around swastikas.

But if I should, G-d forbid, call her a Nazi after she is caught with a memo specifically CALLING for her goon squads to "take away right-wingers' opportunities to talk with reporters", "confiscate signs or leaflets" and "Make sure that you assign marshals to take care of moving the crowd." Despite the fact that those are Nazi-era strong-arm tactics, and despite the fact that she called people on the other side Nazis, you have a problem with her having to take the same treatment she dishes out.

The fact that she called OTHERS Nazis is sheer hypocrisy on her part.

The fact that you make no comment when she does it, but jump on me when I do it is hypocrisy on YOUR part.

So if your sensibilities are offended, excon, I'm afraid that you're just going to have to deal with it. Fair's fair. What's good for the Speaker is good for me too.

Elliot

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Oh, did I offend your sensibilities, Excon?

I didn't hear you make any comments when Pelosi accused people on the right of toting around swastikas.

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Hello Elliot:

Here's the part you don't understand... The comparison between the Speaker of the House of Representatives, because of what she says, to the people who murdered 6 million of us, is deeply flawed. It DIMINISHES what those murdering bastards did to your family and mine.

As a Jew, and a deeply devoted one, I can't believe that you'd so callously throw around that phrase... But, you NEVER cease to surprise me.

excon

My skin's plenty thick for a sniveling weasel like Pelosi to call me un-American. That doesn't make it right. The leader of the House of Representatives needs to act like a representative, not someone declaring war on the people she represents.

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Hello Elliot:

Here's the part you don't understand... The comparison between the Speaker of the House of Representatives, because of what she says, to the people who murdered 6 million of us, is deeply flawed. It DIMINISHES what those murdering bastards did to your family and mine.

As a Jew, and a deeply devoted one, I can't believe that you'd so callously throw around that phrase... But, you NEVER cease to surprise me.

excon

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Oh, there was nothing callous about my usage of the phrase. I've studied the way the Nazis did what they did.

Pelosi's power trip from the day she became Speaker has been a perfect example of Nazism as practiced by most of the tin-dictators of the SS. And her attempt to get people who disagree with her to shut up through the use of both marginalization tactics and now strong-arm tactics is right out of the handbook of Joseph Goebbels.

There was absolutely NOTHING callous about my usage of the term Nazi. It was a very deliberate, educated and well-contemplated usage of the term.

Elliot

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It was a very deliberate, educated and well-contemplated usage of the term.

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Actually the calling of people nazis is the domain of the uneducated i.e they have no argument. It's commonly referered to as Godwin's Law:

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Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a humorous observation coined by Mike Godwin in 1990, and which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others invented later. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

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Actually the calling of people nazis is the domain of the uneducated i.e they have no argument. It's commonly referered to as Godwin's Law:

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Yeah, I've heard of Godwin's Law. Godwin was wrong, though. You see, there are indeed plenty of times when comparisons to Hitler are very apt and appropriate. Godwin just didn't like having to face that reality. He liked a nice, neat little world where everyone was sweetness and light, and nobody lied, committed acts of violence, or had ulterior motives in their actions. Unfortunately, the world isn't the Utopia he wishes it were, and people do commit acts of evil and depravity that compare aptly to actions taken by Hitler and the Nazis.

Also, if Godwin was right, shouldn't his "law" have been applied first to Pelosi's comments about opponents of the health care bill carrying swastikas, thus comparing them to Nazis?

But of course you only apply these rules to me, not her. Which just proves the fallacy of Godwin's law. It seems that it is only selectively applied, which makes it somewhat more of a "guideline" or a "suggestion" than a "law".

Then there's the The Big Lie: tell a big enough lie enough times, and people will eventually start to believe it, even in the face of evidence to the contrary... another tactic of Hitler's listed in Mein Kampf and practiced by Joseph Goebbels. If Pelosi tells enough people that her opponents are carrying swastikas, people will believe it eventually, even though there is video evidence that proves her claim false. She truly does use the tactics of the Nazis.

Elliot

Another point on Godwin's Law:

"Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust."

--- Mike Godwin 4/30/08

I Seem To Be A Verb: 18 Years of Godwin's Law | Jewcy.com

He never intended there to never be apt comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis. What he had trouble with was INAPT or INAPPROPRIATE comparisons made without deliberation or understanding.

That was NOT the case in my usage of the term. It was, as I said, deliberate, educated, and well-contemplated. It was also apt.

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Then there's the The Big Lie: tell a big enough lie enough times, and people will eventually start to believe it, even in the face of evidence to the contrary...

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That's the Republican mantra! Ever watched Fox News?

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That's the Republican mantra! Ever watched Fox News?

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Yep. Most days of the week. Haven't caught them in a lie yet.

I notice, though, that you've dropped your idiotic invocation of Godwin's Law.

Good for you.

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Actually the calling of people nazis is the domain of the uneducated i.e they have no argument. It's commonly referered to as Godwin's Law:

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Ah, so Pelosi is uneducated, she has no argument. I agree with that assessment.

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Yep. Most days of the week. Haven't caught them in a lie yet.

I notice, though, that you've dropped your idiotic invocation of Godwin's Law.

Good for you.

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I love the way you call people nazis, idiotic, insane, etc and you consider yourself some kind of devout religious type.

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I love the way you call people nazis, idiotic, insane, etc and you consider yourself some kind of devout religious type.

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I don't consider myself anything. I do consider Pelosi's actions to be reminiscent of Nazi behaviors.

And I don't see you arguing that fact. You don't seem capable of defending her actions as anything OTHER than Nazism.

Checkmate.

Elliot

You are a big funny man. LOL!

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You are a big funny man. LOL!

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One of us has to be, and it ain't you.

I know. I'm a fit realist who likes my fellow man.

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I know. I'm a fit realist who likes my fellow man.

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No, I'M a realist. You're a Utopian socialist who believes that everything your government does is in your best interests.

And I like my fellow man too. That's why I want the government to stay out of his life just like I want it to stay out of mine.

I guess it's because we live in different countries and my governemnt is not owned by corporate interests. You keep on living in fear of everything, I don't have to - I guess that's our biggest difference.