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Originally Posted by talaniman

So do those who work for the church don't they?

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Do they worship condoms or something?

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They have a right to equal protection under the law.

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Fine, we won't pay for contraceptives for men either.

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The law applies to employers with 50 employees. The church does take out payroll taxes don't they?? Stop crying until the exemption language comes out. Since you believe any bodies rights except yours and your church is a fantasy.

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40 something organizations are suing to stop this intrusion you seem to think is imaginary.

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Fact is free contraceptives is a benefit of the insurance policy you have. The insurance policy is a benefit in place of cash/salary. Just saying.

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And you still seem to be deluded about who's paying for this benefit. I'm just saying.

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And you still seem to be deluded about who's paying for this benefit. I'm just saying.

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Oh is that the justification for your objection? That the insurance company, who covers thousands of medications and procedures, adds one more item to the list and that's the tipping point?
But what if they never, ever use that service or product? In the same way that they may never use a hundred of other services and products.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Exactly how does not buying your contraceptives prohibit your exercise of religion?

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How does my getting them under an insurance plan violate yours?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

How does my getting them under an insurance plan violate yours?

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Answered many times, you first on this one.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Oh is that the justification for your objection? That the insurance company, who covers thousands of medications and procedures, adds one more item to the list and that's the tipping point?
But what if they never, ever use that service or product? In the same way that they may never use a hundred of other services and products.

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It's always been the tipping point, where have you been? You should read up from the beginning of the thread.

Good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Good luck with that.

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Yeah, I knew you wouldn't read the thread, but you should read this..

Hobby Lobby lost their case on those grounds. Good luck.

You already have an amendment:

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The administration allowed a religious exemption. The exemption applies to church organizations themselves

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"The new rule must be issued by March 31, 2013."

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Hobby Lobby lost their case on those grounds. Good luck.

You already have an amendment:

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Hobby Lobby is not a church, but then neither is Domino's Pizza and they won an injunction.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

"The new rule must be issued by March 31, 2013."

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So back to square one, you must also agree now that the constitution is ABOVE the mandate now that I've reminded you that the courts are requiring the administration to codify the exemptions as opposed to promising with their fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Hobby Lobby is not a church

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Hobby Lobby's owners are religious.

I interned at Catholic Charities and was asked to work there after graduation. I am Lutheran and was on birth control pills at the time.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Hobby Lobby's owners are religious.

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Yes, but the relevance is as a response to NK's quote " The exemption applies to church organizations themselves."

Hobby Lobby is not a church.

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I interned at Catholic Charities and was asked to work there after graduation. I am Lutheran and was on birth control pills at the time.

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A) Who paid for them?

B) Still waiting to know how not buying your contraceptives violates your religious freedom.

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Yes, but the relevance is as a response to NK's quote " The exemption applies to church organizations themselves."

Hobby Lobby is not a church.

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I know they aren't. I mentioned it because unless you're a church (who has the exemption) you face a losing battle. That's why I wished you 'good luck' in your venture.
It seems like a lot of wasted effort in my opinion.

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I know they aren't. I mentioned it because unless you're a church (who has the exemption) you face a losing battle. That's why I wished you 'good luck' in your venture.
It seems like a lot of wasted effort in my opinion.

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I guess you missed the part where Domino's won an injunction. There is no such thing as wasted effort to defend my constitutional rights.

It goes beyond a church's rights . Free exercise is primarily an individual's right .

Exactly.

Charlie Rangel hits Obama on diversity - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com

Hello wingers:

Don't look over here. Look over THERE. Obama hasn't chosen a women. Now, THAT'S a war on women, all right...

You DO know a war involves MORE than 10 or 12 people, don't you?? Nahhh, you DON'T know that... YOUR war, of course, is being waged against 150 MILLION women, and you've got the balls to call what he's doing a war... If you guys weren't so pathetic, you'd be silly.

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Hobby Lobby is not a church, but then neither is Domino's Pizza and they won an injunction.

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Dominos isn't involved as the former owner is suing on behalf of his new buiness, real estate development.

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That confusion led the current Domino's owners to release a statement declaring that the company “has never supported organizations on either side of the reproductive rights issue. The corporation and its 1,825 independent franchise owners across the world have one goal: to sell pizzas and grow our market share.”

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Get your facts straight. And to be clear the injunction is temporary pending a final ruling. It delays the inevitable, for profit businesses must obey the law. The mandate has already been ruled constitutional so good luck trying to overturn it.