http://rightwingpatriot.com/wp-conte...d-medicine.jpg

And for those who still believe its free and they can get something for nothing...

http://poundthedrum.com/file_upload/...ures4_2160.jpg

Your graph on Ontario wait times is completely false and meaningless - for which surgical procedures?
Where is your source?
I can point you to the exact current source but I'd rather wait for yours first just to see.

Its on the graph.

Graph is wrong then. Where did the graphic come from?
You didn't do your own research for the facts? You just copy/paste a picture?

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Graph is wrong then. Where did the graphic come from?
You didn't do your own research for the facts? You just copy/paste a picture?

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Oh... so if it shows the Canadian system for what it is... its fake... but if its propaganda... then it is real?

Care to explain why the Prime Minister paid for surgery in the USA if your system was such the envy of the world?"

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Its on the graph.

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I checked wait times for various surgeries and procedures. That chart is either grossly out of date or has been tweaked to make Ontario look bad. I checked the official Canadian Ministry wait time site.

The wait times are much less than those on the graph and even better than current U.S. wait times.

During my breast cancer adventure in 2009 and after tons of research about my particular situation, I had requested and was allowed the Canadian protocol for radiation treatments (Canadian 16 treatments vs. U.S. 35 treatments). Because of my research and discussion with their cancer committee, my hospital is now individualizing breast cancer radiation treatments and giving patients options instead of a "one size fits all" treatment. Thank you, Canada!

(That chart is from rightwingpatriot.com.)

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so if it shows the Canadian system for what it is

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It doesn't - it's false propaganda that you are disseminating.

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It doesn't - it's false propaganda that you are disseminating.

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BS... and I suppose this article is false propaganda too


Canadian Health Care In Crisis - CBS News

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/02/19/w...ast-in-line-2/

http://www.heritage.org/research/lec...e-but-shouldnt

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BS...and I suppose this article is false propaganda too


Canadian Health Care In Crisis - CBS News

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How about finding current information. This was back on February 11, 2009.

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The Top Ten Things People Believe About Canadian Health Care, But Shouldn't

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November 10, 2004

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How about finding current information. This was back on February 11, 2009.

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Its still valid...

And more proof of horrific wait times for treatment... well horrific if you are used to getting things done when you need them in the USA anyway.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...-turn-2012.pdf

Of course you would find a survey by a shill for oil companies and rich energy guys.

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Of course you would find a survey by a shill for oil companies and rich energy guys.

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Better than propaganda from someone with an agenda to make it look better than it is.

But then you believe Obamas propaganda on Obamacare... like he has any motive to be honest about it?

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Better than propaganda from someone with an agenda to make it look better than it is.

But then you believe Obamas propaganda on Obamacare....like he has any motive to be honest about it?

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The above does not make much sense.

Can you explain to me how propaganda from someone who wants to make things worse then they are is better propaganda when it comes from someone who wants to make things look better than they are?

Hello again:

I don't know if Obama ever said "I WON", to the Republicans, as in he's going to DO what he wants... That would be unbelievably arrogant of him, since he hadn't passed a single bill YET...

But that was then, and this is NOW. Today, I think it would be PERFECTLY appropriate to tell the Republicans, the ACA IS the LAW. Let's move on.

That WOULDN'T be arrogant at all. It would BE the TRUTH.

excon

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The above does not make much sense.

Can you explain to me how propaganda from someone who wants to make things worse then they are is better propaganda when it comes from someone who wants to make things look better than they are?

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If you actually lived on this side of the planet... it would be obvious what I said... your distance from the problem means you won't see it the way those of us who see it everyday will. Just as we won't see the issues in Australia in the same way you will.

Hello smoothy:

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If you actually lived on this side of the planet... it would be obvious what I said...

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In other words, you got nothing.

Excon

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Hello smoothy:
In other words, you got nothing.

excon

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Nope... its absolutely obvious to anyone who can think that lives here...


But it won't be to someone on the other side of the Planet.

smoothy gets called on nonsense and asked to explain - as usual can't explain it and goes on the offensive insulting people. Same stuff, different day.