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Originally Posted by paraclete

YOU SEE TOM PARANOIA IN FULL FLIGHT, you know your police will respond maybe if you worked on getting rid of the scum instead of insisting on their rights you wouldn't need guns

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It's the lefties that insist on the criminals having MORE rights than the innocent law abiding public.

If they locked up the worst of them and threw away the key... it would be a safer world.

If the exicuted the worst of the worst... there would be room for the others. But the lefties here fight to defend the murderers and rapists that they have the right to life... will in the next breath arguing about their rights to kill babies apparently almost up to the point they could fight back.

But then there are the few bad cops out there... that really are nothing but criminals with a badge that haven't gotten caught yet. And yes if Washington DC and PG COunty MD are any indicator... there are a LOT of them.

Washington DC police in the last 4 years have had over 90 of their own arrested and convicted for crimes.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/90-plu...rticle/2507386

Take the guns off the cops... and while you are at it.. take away the Secret service, and armed private guards too. Because no one individual has a right to armed protection while any other citizen is being denied that same right.

Hello clete:

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maybe if you worked on getting rid of the scum instead of insisting on their rights you wouldn't need guns

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Couple things... I'm SURE you include ME in your description of scum. It's true too. A police state would accomplish your utopia - or would it?

We have the LARGEST prison population in the ENTIRE world. It's BIGGER than China. It's BIGGER than Russia. It's BIGGER than Iran. But, it's NOT big enough for you...

The good news is, we have a Constitution that PREVENTS a$$holes like you from getting hold of things..

Excon

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If the locked up the worst of them and threw away the key... it would be a safer world.

If the exicuted the worst of the worst... there would be room for the others.

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You too, smoothy!

Hello again, smoothy:

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It's the lefties that insist on the criminals having MORE rights than the innocent law abiding public.

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Actually, it's the Constitution, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Actually, it's the Constitution, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

excon

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Where in the constitution do the criminals get more rights than the law abiding population?

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Where in the constitution do the criminals get more rights than the law abiding population?

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You posit a statement that has no bearing in fact, it's hard to argue against that for sure.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Where in the constitution do the the criminals get more rights than the law abiding population?

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You have a right to bear arms and criminals don't. You have a right to vote criminals don't. They do have a right to due process under the law, so do you, so what's this about they have MORE rights than citizens?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You have a right to bear arms and criminals don't. You have a right to vote criminals don't. They do have a right to due process under the law, so do you, so what's this about they have MORE rights than citizens?

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excon said they did... and he claimed it was in the constitution... where exactly I don't know. Was hoping he couild point it out.

They lost those rights as part of the punishment for the crimes they committed and were convicted of.

It is in the presumption of innocence that they have more rights than other citizens. We all know where there is smoke there is fire

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Originally Posted by paraclete

it is in the presumption of innocence that they have more rights than other citizens. we all know where there is smoke there is fire

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No it isn't... their rights are equal but no more than other citizens.. everyone enjoys the presumption of innocence here... not just the convicted criminals. Once convicted there is no longer any presumption.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello clete:

Couple things... I'm SURE you include ME in your description of scum. It's true too. A police state would accomplish your utopia - or would it?

We have the LARGEST prison population in the ENTIRE world. It's BIGGER than China. It's BIGGER than Russia. It's BIGGER than Iran. But, it's NOT big enough for you...

The good news is, we have a Constitution that PREVENTS a$$holes like you from getting hold of things..

excon

PS> (edited) You too, smoothy!!

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Let's try to deal with some issues Ex former prisioners who have reformed and form a legitimate part of society are not scum. What I refer to as scum are the exploiters, the drug dealers, the gun men, the rapists, the child molesters and standover merchants, those who have no intention of complying with the law

A police state isn't the answer, that can become just as lawless. You have the largest prison population because you are stupid and have gone too far to the right. The answer to societies problems is not to put minor offenders in jail and turn them into criminals and for your information I am not an arsehole, arsehole, I am a caring person who wants to see as few as possible in the prison system but proper systems for rehabilitation of first offenders. I spent too much of my life trying to keep my teenage son out of reform school, etc but I also want the idiots who think they can offend with impunity because they are a minority dealt with. I have been a visitor to prisions

I cannot say what it is like for you but our prison system has an over representation of minorities and it would seem an increasing population of muslim idiots

Well lack of gun control has shown up again this time in New Orleans. Another round of the excuses coming up. You know the excuses, it was criminals, law abiding people need to protect themselves. There were cops there, so more security wouldn't have prevented it. Someone might like to answer this question in what way did gun ownership prevent this incident or allow the victims to protect themselves?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

well lack of gun control has shown up again this time in New Orleans. Another round of the excuses coming up. You know the excuses, it was criminals, law abiding people need to protect themselves. There were cops there, so more security wouldn't have prevented it. Someone might like to answer this question in what way did gun ownership prevent this incident or allow the victims to protect themselves?

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At this time they believe it was gang related violence. Lets wait and see what develops.

Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years, Justice Dept. report finds - U.S. News

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Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years, Justice Dept. report finds - U.S. News

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Irrespective of that it is obviously too high with 10,000+ losing their lives each year, and you need to look at how the statistic is expressed. As your population has grown and you did have a peak in the 90's. The level of gun violence is back to 1976 levels so it also could be said it hasn't fallen in 40 years

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Irrespective of that it is obviously too high with 10,000+ losing their lives each year, and you need to look at how the statistic is expressed. as your population has grown and you did have a peak in the 90's. The level of gun violence is back to 1976 levels so it also could be said it hasn't fallen in 40 years

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There were 35.9 thousand people died in automobile accidents in 2009. Why aren't you foaming out the mouth to outlaw automobiles? That number is 4 times higher... and there is no constitutional right to own or drive a car.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...atalities.html


Most of those murders are committed by blacks with no legal right to possess guns... that should be in jail... and aren't thanks to liberal policies. (meaning they are repat offenders)

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There were 35.9 thousand people died in automobile accidents in 2009. Why aren't you foaming out the mouth to outlaw automobiles? That number is 4 times higher... and there is no constitutional right to own or drive a car.

Motor Vehicle Accidents and Fatalities - The 2012 Statistical Abstract - U.S. Census Bureau

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I don't foam at the mouth I leave that others who have a penchant for that sort of thing. I'm sure that if someone tried to abolish the automobile you would find the constitutional right under the commerce clause or some such obscure intrepretation just as this right to own a gun is an obscure interpretation

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Most of those murders are committed by blacks with no legal right to possess guns... that should be in jail... and aren't thanks to liberal policies. (meaning they are repat offenders)

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Now we come to the nub of it the raw racism which says you have to protect yourselves from black people and I have no doubt the black people, noting your racist attitude, say they have to protect themselves from white people. When you stop locking people up you may find a way to solve many problems but there is no way they are going to cut that racism out of you. You want a war, that is how you solve your problems, have a war, accumulate a few million bodies and you can say, look, mission accomplished.

Good Morning, clete:

**greenie**

excon

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I don't foam at the mouth I leave that others who have a penchant for that sort of thing. I'm sure that if someone tried to abolish the automobile you would find the constitutional right under the commerce clause or some such obscure intrepretation just as this right to own a gun is an obscure interpretation



now we come to the nub of it the raw racism which says you have to protect yourselves from black people and I have no doubt the black people, noting your racist attitude, say they have to protect themselves from white people. When you stop locking people up you may find a way to solve many problems but there is no way they are going to cut that racism out of you. you want a war, that is how you solve your problems, have a war, accumulate a few million bodies and you can say, look, mission accomplished.

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Back to this race baiting by the left again... plenty of statistics back the fact they (the blacks) commit crimes of all types in much higher rates of any other ethnic group... or is that YOUR racist side by pretending that's NOT the case?

In fact statistics prove it even around here on a local scale with PG county MD... and DC wheich have been majority plack for some time... also are the areas with the highest crime rates in this area... spread that ring outward to past 60 miles... and Baltimore... another Black majority city with a massive crime problem falls into the fold.

Chicagos crime issues are legendary... As are those of Camden NJ. Both majority black cities coincidently.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I don't foam at the mouth I leave that others who have a penchant for that sort of thing. I'm sure that if someone tried to abolish the automobile you would find the constitutional right under the commerce clause or some such obscure intrepretation just as this right to own a gun is an obscure interpretation



now we come to the nub of it the raw racism which says you have to protect yourselves from black people and I have no doubt the black people, noting your racist attitude, say they have to protect themselves from white people. When you stop locking people up you may find a way to solve many problems but there is no way they are going to cut that racism out of you. you want a war, that is how you solve your problems, have a war, accumulate a few million bodies and you can say, look, mission accomplished.

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Clete, that's about as much bullsh*t as I've ever seen. Why don't you mind your own country's problems instead of foaming at the mouth every day about mine?

P.S. You want facts? Of the 6222 hate crimes reported in 2011 in the U.S. 2092 of them - over a third - were in 3 states; California, New York and New Jersey. The southern states combined accounted for a little over half of over what was reported in those 3 states. One would think if it was so much racism the problem would be down south according to the left's narrative. Just sayin'...

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Clete, that's about as much bullsh*t as I've ever seen. Why don't you mind your own country's problems instead of foaming at the mouth every day about mine?

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Your debates are more interesting we don't have the same problems you do in finding solutions, but smoothy just has to be taken on, his attitudes are too far to the right, he sounds like a closet KKK member and don't you find it disturbing he allegedly works for your government