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Hello again, tom:
As I suspected, it's NOT death panels... It's NOT mandates.. It's NOT ANY of that stuff you say it is.. It's that you think it'll work. And, it will.Quote:
the entitlement state will collapse from the weight of the obligations shortly
Excon
So is there anything wrong with Obamacare other than it isn't single payer?
How do you read into my comment that I think it will work ? I was addressing NK's irrelevant observation specifically .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How is it irrelevant to show that something which you deride seems to be the norm elsewhere? Is it because you don't want to hear that?Quote:
NK's irrelevant observation
Of course they don't want to hear it NK, you know they are never wrong, well almost never. It's the not made here syndrome, if they had thought of it they would have been early adoptersQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Steve:Not being single payer isn't something wrong with Obamacare. It's the mistake congress made. So, I'm not going to criticize it because it doesn't fit my druthers.Quote:
So is there anything wrong with Obamacare other than it isn't single payer?
Let me take an honest look at it. Of course, if I'm going to be honest, I won't talk about death panels.. I won't talk about train wrecks.. I won't talk about bankrupting the nation. That's because NONE of those things are true.
Is there anything wrong with giving poor people health coverage for the first time in their lives? No.
Is there anything wrong with stopping insurance companies from denying coverage because of a pre-existing condition? No.
Is there anything wrong with children being allowed to stay on their parents health plan until they're 26? No.
Is there anything wrong with requiring insurance companies to spend 80% of their income on health care? No.
Is there anything wrong with requiring EVERYBODY to buy health insurance? No.
Is there anything wrong with wealthy and middle class persons insurance premium going up? No.
Is there anything wrong with people NOT going bankrupt because of medical bills? No.
Am I missing anything?
Excon
There is something wrong when one group gets a free ride via the virtual mugging of another group.
Yeah, you forgot something. Insurance companies cannot cap your coverage and dump you after spending a set amount.
No co pays for preventive maintenance doctor visits, routine and regular check ups to the peanut gallery.
I agree and that's what the uninsured are getting off the dime of the tax payer. You righty hypocrites are always hollering about personal responsibility, now we have it. Still you holler.Quote:
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Originally Posted by talaniman
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And the fact remains... those of us who actually have jobs we worked hard to get are going to have to pay even more for our insurance to cover the lazy and the financially irresponsible... while all of the other programs they were previously leaching off still remain and continue to cost us money.
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Originally Posted by excon
Yes, you're missing the answer to my question.
Hello again, Steve:
Well, let's rectify that.Quote:
Yes, you're missing the answer to my question.
Is there anything wrong with Obamacare, you asked...
Yes.
Excon
No ;it's just that I don't care what the rest of the world does. They are bankrupting their countries faster than we are ;but we are on the same track to the same result.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Here is a leader that gets it .
Dutch king declares end of the welfare state | euronews, world newsQuote:
The King of the Netherlands has informed his country that their welfare state is finished.
King Willem-Alexander, alongside his wife, Queen Maxima, told the Dutch people that they must create their own social and financial safety nets, and that looking to the state for help was a thing of the 20th century.
Care to expand on that? I'm giving you your shot to be honest about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
I thought I was. Besides, you told me I couldn't list what it wasn't. If I wasn't under such restrictions, I'd complain that it wasn't Medicare for all.Quote:
Care to expand on that? I'm giving you your shot to be honest about it.
BECAUSE it isn't Medicare for all, I don't like all the kickbacks, and deals they made with all the players to get them to go along. But, making law is like making sausage.. It's pretty ugly.
Since Medicare for all could be written on one page, I don't like that the sausage making took up 1200 pages.
I DON'T like that, as a member of the middle class, MY costs will go up to pay for it... But, I'm MORE than willing to do it for the reasons above. I think THIS is major difference between us.
Now, if there really ARE death panels, then it should be sh!tcanned. If it's going to bankrupt the nation, it should be discarded. If it's a trainwreck, then it should be repealed.. But, I don't BELIEVE any of that.
Of course, it's big, comprehensive, and some parts may not work like the authors thought it would, and I've spoken about tweaking it. But, in the main, it looks like it's going to DO the job it was intended to do.
Excon
That's a pretty rosy prediction. How many of those youngun's are going to bypass buying a policy and just fork over the $95 penalty?
That's what they are afraid of. It will work and work well and make them look like loud mouth idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
LOL, can you imagine winning the house and senate in 2014, and the presidency in 2016, and can't bullsh1t the people about repealing Medicare, Social Security, OR Obama Care? Well repeal is their whole campaign. What else can Cruz run on?
Hello again, Steve:
I don't know. I'm not an actuary. But, actuary's who work for insurance companies think they'll be enough, and they think they'll be profitable too. Otherwise, they wouldn't be offering 'em for sale.Quote:
How many of those youngun's are going to bypass buying a policy and just fork over the $95 penalty?
But, that IS the question. When I was a young'un, I was covered by my employer, and when I wasn't working, I WORRIED a lot about what could happen to me. If CHEAP insurance would have been available to me during those times, I wouda bought it. Now, I'm a guy who's driven without car insurance when I couldn't afford it. But, I had no assets and nothing to lose, and car insurance didn't protect ME anyway.. It protected the OTHER guy.
But, if I didn't have health insurance, I'M the only loser.
Speaking about losing because you don't have health insurance, what do you think about the ads running by right wingers, trying to tell YOUNG people NOT to get it?? I think it's despicable, cruel, and par for the course.
Excon
I have no idea what you're referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I know members of Congress and the Senate are telling staffers not to sign on because an exemption is pending .
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