It IS the standard! How do YOU think it happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I figured you'd be cheering because WG is finally following the rules!
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It IS the standard! How do YOU think it happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I figured you'd be cheering because WG is finally following the rules!
Says who?Quote:
It IS the standard!
What is YOUR plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So it turns out that it's just your standard. That's what I figured. I'd still like to know where you feel you get this authority from,
It is THE standard!!!!! Do some research. Talk to a fully transitioned person.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why is it that you can never provide your own documentation? It always comes down to, "I have no idea, so maybe you can find it." No thanks. You need to do your own work.
I have documentation from women who have transitioned! I posted that earlier, all the agonies they go through. Why are you being so difficult? Do you want websites? Lots of those. Here's from one site: "The testicles are removed, a procedure called orchiectomy. The skin from the scrotum is used to make the labia. The erectile tissue of the penis is used to make the neoclitoris. The urethra is preserved and functional" according to WPATH Standards of Care.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://www.uofmhealth.org/conditions-treatments/transgender-services/gender-confirmation-surgery#:~:text=Male%2Dto%2Dfemale%20sex%20reassig nment%20surgery&text=The%20testicles%20are%20remov ed%2C%20a,urethra%20is%20preserved%20and%20functio nal.
https://www.wikihow.com/Transition-f...rescribes%20it.
You are describing what is done. That's fine, and I imagine we all knew about that already, but you have located NOTHING in regard to any established standard which you claim to know about and clearly cannot find.
This is what you claimed, and it's what you are being asked to document. "It is THE standard!!!!! Do some research." Now it appears that you cannot do what you asked me to do. Perhaps it was not clear what the subject was?
I went ahead and did your work for you. These two do not agree with your idea. Perhaps that's why you did not actually look for them?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...s/art-20266812Quote:
The terms "transgender" and "gender diverse" cover a range of gender identities and gender expressions. These terms move past the idea that all people can be classified as only one of two genders — female or male. That idea is called the gender binary.
https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/transgender.htmQuote:
Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity or expression (masculine, feminine, other) is different from their sex (male, female) at birth.
I use the umbrella term transformer. I looked it up and there actually are transgender and non-binary transformers in the world of make believe .
And that is exactly what I've been talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Exactly! You and I are not talking about the same thing apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well, if you ignore most of what you said, then you'd be right. However, since this is what you posted, then you are miles off. "I have documentation from women who have transitioned! I posted that earlier, all the agonies they go through. Why are you being so difficult? Do you want websites? Lots of those. Here's from one site: "The testicles are removed, a procedure called orchiectomy. The skin from the scrotum is used to make the labia. The erectile tissue of the penis is used to make the neoclitoris. The urethra is preserved and functional" according to WPATH Standards of Care."Quote:
And that is exactly what I've been talking about.
Tom pretty much hit the nail on the head. It is a sad deal for the people involved in it, but going along with their deception is not the right approach.
That's exactly what is done. My New England friend recently had an orchiectomy.
You are describing a possible treatment, but that is not the definition of transgenderism. You have it confused. A person can claim to be transgender and not undergo any of the treatments you claim are mandatory. So Lia Thomas, the man pretending to be a woman, claims to be trans, but he has never had, as you described it, the "bottom surgery". You claim he is therefore not trans, but that's just your opinion. There is no standard that includes that.
I have no clue what you mean. I wasn't defining transgenderism. Transgenderism is a diagnosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I didn't claim treatments are mandatory. Those are the steps that MtoFs have to go through if they want to become completely female. There are thousands of transgenders in this country who can't access any treatment because their religion or parents or superiors won't permit it, because they can't afford it, because they're too depressed.Quote:
A person can claim to be transgender and not undergo any of the treatments you claim are mandatory.
He could very well be trans but has had only certain changes. (???) You've checked his crotch?Quote:
So Lia Thomas, the man pretending to be a woman, claims to be trans, but he has never had, as you described it, the "bottom surgery".
I did not. I AM surprised he hasn't gone any further with his transition, so, instead, he becomes one of those female-looking sorority sisters with an erection.Quote:
You claim he is therefore not trans, but that's just your opinion. There is no standard that includes that.
Interesting article:
https://thenetline.com/lia-thomas-transition/
You have no clue? I don't believe that since you said this earlier. "If he/she is truly trans, then follow through with all that I posted in #145. Otherwise, Dylan is mocking all the true transgenders who have done or are doing the long, hard, expensive work of transitioning." You knew exactly what we were talking about.
You said they were mandatory for a person to be considered trans.Quote:
I didn't claim treatments are mandatory.
Yes you did.Quote:
I did not.
WG: I didn't claim treatments are mandatory.
JL: You said they were mandatory for a person to be considered trans.
For a person to have completed transition. Is that better?
Yes, it's better.
How's your husband doing? Better, I hope.
Chinese Military To Just Shout Wrong Pronouns At American Soldiers - YouTubeQuote:
Our slide into decadence continues on. The effect on the military is alarming.
Last year, the Army missed its recruiting goal by 25 percent. They expect this year to be even worse. The Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps began the new fiscal year in October 50 percent below their normal recruiting numbers. Public confidence in the military is falling precipitously, and even military families – from which most recruits come – are less likely to recommend military life.
What explains the decline? According to a November poll, the most common explanations included "military leadership becoming overly politicized" and "so-called ‘woke’ practices undermining military effectiveness." Another survey found that 65 percent of active-duty servicemen and women are concerned about politicization, including the woke training programs and equity-minded reduced physical fitness standards.
Troop retention rates are falling, too, and for the same reasons. As the report notes, "the perception that non-warfighting missions are distracting senior military leadership may alienate experienced, skilled and knowledgeable warfighters, incentivizing their early departure[.]"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mili...ine-reason-why
Only a genuine move of God will save us.
Quiet day.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...lusion-policy/
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A male Canadian powerlifting coach broke the Alberta women’s bench-press record over the weekend in an act of protest against the presiding organization’s extremely lenient trans-inclusion policy.
Avi Silverberg, who does not identify as transgender, participated in the 84+ kg category at the Canadian Powerlifting Union’s (CPU) “Heroes Classic.” Silverberg bested transgender-identifying male competitor Anne Andres, who watched him from the audience.
This week the Dems in the House of Reps voted unanimously to allow men to compete in girl sports .
Not one Dem stood up for woman's rights to compete on a level playing field.
House GOP votes to ban transgender athletes from women's sports (nypost.com)
I wonder where the fems go now?
Be careful, ladies!
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The roots of the transformer movement was in the mid-60s (what a surprise. ) It is a sordid tale .Before then there was no words like “gender identity” and “sexual orientation.” They were pretty much invented by a quack pseudo -scientist named Dr John Money . He was a sexologist at John Hopkins .
1965 a family came to him for help. They had birthed twin boys. One of the twins had received a botched circumcision. Money's recommendation was to castrate him and do a sex conversion ,Money had the perfect patients to test his sick theories on . He had his changeling and his twin brother in the control group. Bruce's name was changed to Brenda. He received hormone therapy to complete the transfer and was forced to wear girls clothing .
His brother Brian was also part of Money's sicko experiments. Money directed them as children to assume sex positions . He reasoned that sexual rehearsal play was important in child development . Money would bring in colleagues to observe this sexual play .When the boys refused they were subject to verbal abuse . Money would photograph them in the act . "Brenda "was shown pictures naked adults to stimulate his transition.
He began to demonstrate female behavior . Money considered his experiment a success. He used it to suggest that gender identitiy is learned and not inate .
But he was never really comfortable as a female . When he turned 15 his father told him the truth. He decided to reclaim manhood. He got a double mastectomy and began taking male hormones. He renamed himself David.
But he was deeply traumatized by his experience . At the age of 38 he committed suicide . His brother Brian also deeply troubled had killed himself 2 years earlier .
As for Dr Money .....to this day he is championed by the transformer community .
Dr. John Money, pioneer in sexual identity, dies (nbcnews.com)
He is championed rather than being in jail. What a reflection on our crazy country.
The lunacy continues.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/vermon...system-lessonsQuote:
A Vermont elementary school is reportedly removing "male" and "female" language from its fifth grade science lessons covering the human body, puberty and reproduction.
In a letter sent home to parents at Founders Memorial School on April 20, the principal announced "gender-inclusive language" would now be used in the science and health unit.
Teachers would now only use "gender-inclusive language" in these lessons in order to "align our curriculum with our equity policy," school principal Sara Jablonski wrote in a letter shared on social media.
Terms like "male" and "boy" would be replaced with "person who produces sperm." Likewise, "female" and "girl" would be replaced with a "person who produces eggs."
science deniers
This is wildQuote:
Terms like "male" and "boy" would be replaced with "person who produces sperm." Likewise, "female" and "girl" would be replaced with a "person who produces eggs.
Yes, you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This is part of what strikes me as bizarre about this. They have decided that rather than use the term "male", they will use the descriptor, "a person who produces sperm". But isn't that what a male is? So if a boy decides he is a girl, he is still called, "a person who produces sperm", hence a male.
It's like deciding to no longer use the term "car", but rather use, "a motorized, 4 wheeled vehicle capable of being legally driven on a highway".
Nope. In that individual's heart, soul, brain, that person is female. The male appendages are Mother Nature's mistake during fetal development.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
or that person is confused and needs a check up from the neck up
Why? Anatomy below the waist rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So the district is wrong in referring to "people who produce sperm"? I ask because in referring to those who produce sperm, they include boys who think they are girls in the same category as boys who think they are boys. They all are sperm producers, so what category is there for the boys who think they are girls? They are certainly not those who produce eggs, are they?Quote:
Nope. In that individual's heart, soul, brain, that person is female. The male appendages are Mother Nature's mistake during fetal development.
How about boys who think they are dogs or cats? They do exist, you know. Should we go along with that as well? How about boys who think they are a god, or boys who think they are angels? If it's all about the person's "heart, soul, brain," then does that settle it in those cases? Do we reach a point where impressions become delusions?
Yes, I disagree with the district. Too confusing.
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