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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I don't think DC is guilty of second degree murder. I'm not saying he is not responsible in some way for GF's death, but I don't see how it amounts to second degree murder. I don't see how you can show that DC intended for GF to die. Manslaughter?? That sounds reasonable.

GF was handcuffed behind his back, lying facedown on the pavement, had at least one cop kneeling on his legs. What threat was he that demanded DC kneel on his neck?

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GF was handcuffed behind his back, lying facedown on the pavement, had at least one cop kneeling on his legs. What threat was he that demanded DC kneel on his neck?

You might have a valid question, but it's one that neither you nor I can answer.

Please answer my previous question.

I'll repost it.

You, however, DID "hop and skip" over my question, so I'll ask it again. You claimed, "Chauvin is a little man who was intimidated by a bigger Black man who may not have even known that $20 was counterfeit." I replied, "And you know this how?"

I will patiently wait.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I didn't hop and skip over anything. I said as clearly as can be said, "I have no idea." School principals don't receive training on recognizing counterfeit bills.

Yet GF knew it was counterfeit? How do you know he was deliberately using it and cheating that store?

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You, however, DID "hop and skip" over my question, so I'll ask it again. You claimed, "Chauvin is a little man who was intimidated by a bigger Black man who may not have even known that $20 was counterfeit." I replied, "And you know this how?"

I know it the same way DC knew that GF knew it.

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Yet GF knew it was counterfeit? How do you know he was deliberately using it and cheating that store?

Police officers ARE trained to recognize counterfeit bills. I have no idea if its use was deliberate.

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I know it the same way DC knew that GF knew it.

In other words, you have no clue.

I do know that if GF was innocent, and perhaps he was, then it would have been a simple process to prove his innocence. Comply with the police and live to see another day.

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I have no idea if its use was deliberate.

Irrelevant. Being a 'known Felon.'

A Felon is screwed either way.

I'll ask it for you WG; How'd he know he was a Felon?
Answer: Because he's Black? Not true, but you can run with it.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I do know that if GF was innocent, and perhaps he was, then it would have been a simple process to prove his innocence. Comply with the police and live to see another day.

And were the police gently questioning him at first (as they would have done with a white dude)?

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Originally Posted by waltero

A Felon is screwed either way.

Too true.

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I'll ask it for you WG; How'd he know he was a Felon?
Answer: Because he's Black? Not true, but you can run with it.

My favorite (white) nephew is a felon. He and I wrote letters back and forth during his six years in prison.

The thing you conservatives ignore is the prone position with 3 cops on GF and a knee to the neck for more than 9 minutes...with the last 3 being after his demise. I might add that he was dragged from the vehicle to be proned AFTER he was handcuffed. Proning is a technique for handcuffing and NOT to solicit compliance.

When asked by a fellow officer if GF should be rolled to his side as per dept regs and training, DC replied NO, He stays down where he is! That was in the video, as played in court.

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Too true.

A felon Is guilty until proven innocent.
If a known felon is caught with any paraphernalia, illegal activity, being around other felons,,,anything! They can be arrested (screwed) on the spot.

I posted this before you responded.

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I'll ask it for you WG; How'd he know he was a Felon?
Answer: Because he's Black? Not true, but you can run with it.

Aren't I amazing!

Then you come up with this-

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And were the police gently questioning him at first (as they would have done with a white dude)?

You decided to run with it, no surprise.

Change is in the air (let's hope it continues) We have our fall guy. There can be only one outcome. GUILTY.

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If a known felon is caught with any paraphernalia,

True for anyone.

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illegal activity,

True for anyone.

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being around other felons,,,anything!

Complete nonsense and totally not true.

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And were the police gently questioning him at first (as they would have done with a white dude)?

If there is any justice in this world, should you need a cop in the future, and if they are aware of your prejudice and racism, then they'll just find someone else to help.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If there is any justice in this world, should you need a cop in the future, and if they are aware of your prejudice and racism, then they'll just find someone else to help.

I have called the cops and have also been stopped while driving. My comment wasn't "prejudice and racism" -- it's all too true.

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And were the police gently questioning him at first (as they would have done with a white dude)?

Complete prejudice against the police and completely racist in assuming that they prefer whites over other races.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Complete prejudice against the police and completely racist in assuming that they prefer whites over other races.

Depends on where it is.

There are good cops, and there are not so good cops, and some that are lousy for whatever reason. Get rid of bad cops, a simple enough concept.

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Complete nonsense and totally not true.

True: Terms of probation or parole prohibit this.

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There are good cops, and there are not so good cops, and some that are lousy for whatever reason. Get rid of bad cops, a simple enough concept.

Not likely. They are only human. Not to mention, they are recruited from the armed forces, most the time.

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Originally Posted by waltero

Not likely. They are only human. Not to mention, they are recruited from the armed forces, most the time.

And not the sharpest knives in the drawer....

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And not the sharpest knives in the drawer....

Wow. You are one of the most prejudiced people I have ever met.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Wow. You are one of the most prejudiced people I have ever met.

Tell me I'm wrong. It certainly isn't prejudice on my part! They aren't expected to think on their own but to do what they've been trained and told to do by superiors who don't want independent thinkers to buck the system.

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Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong. There is no evidence to support your sickening statement.

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It certainly isn't prejudice on my part! They aren't expected to think on their own but to do what they've been trained and told to do by superiors who don't want independent thinkers to buck the system.

It is absolutely prejudice on your part. And you are one of the ones who go about constantly calling for better training, but then want to whine that the police actually follow their training. So do you want them to follow this unspecified, yet to be determined new training of yours? Make up your mind. Should they follow training or not???

I'll say it again. Your prejudice against the police, which you cannot support with so much as a shred of data, is the worst I have seen in any person in many years. And I mean prejudice in general, and not just against the cops. Most white supremacists will have to work harder to reach your level. Your delight in the Chauvin case can barely be concealed, and I find that to be sickening.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It is absolutely prejudice on your part. And you are one of the ones who go about constantly calling for better training, but then want to whine that the police actually follow their training. So do you want them to follow this unspecified, yet to be determined new training of yours? Make up your mind. Should they follow training or not???

The police should be at a minimum. Too often, the 911 calls are more suited to social services -- the homeless guy in the men's bathroom, stripping naked so he can wash himself, the woman high on opioids running amok as she screams, the small, crying child wandering around in the park.

Get a little lost with your copy/paste process???

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The police should be at a minimum. Too often, the 911 calls are more suited to social services -- the homeless guy in the men's bathroom, stripping naked so he can wash himself.

That can all be discussed and I see some sense in your statement. But when you accuse the police of blatant, widespread racism, you have gone way, way too far. It's just disgusting to read.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Get a little lost with your copy/paste process???

Pardon me, O writer of perfect prose. I'm using a Kindle and typing with my left pointer finger fingernail.

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That can all be discussed and I see some sense in your statement. But when you accuse the police of blatant, widespread racism, you have gone way, way too far. It's just disgusting to read.

I didn't accuse them of racism as much as being required to march to the department's drumbeat.

Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?

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I didn't accuse them of racism as much as being required to march to the department's drumbeat.

Oh yes you did. "And were the police gently questioning him at first (as they would have done with a white dude)?"

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Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?

Oh good grief. We have already dismissed this foolish question weeks ago. I haven't, you haven't, and no other white person has, so it's a meaningless exercise. I have been the only white person in a black church. I have been one of only two white people in a Choctaw Indian church. I was one of only four white people at a soul music concert many years ago. I was a principal of a 90% black school for ten years. And guess what all of that proves? Nothing other than I know what it's like to be, at least briefly, in the minority. But that still proves nothing. It's a completely foolish question with no point and no achievable objective whatsoever. It's the kind of question white liberal dems love to ask because they think it shows how wise, thoughtful, and empathetic they are. All it really is is an exercise is nothing.

Beware the man who experiences but doesn't learn.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I know what it's like to be, at least briefly, in the minority.

You were briefly in the minority numberswise, but have always been in the majority as per race.

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You were briefly in the minority numberswise, but have always been in the majority as per race.

That stunningly obvious truth about you, me, and practically every other white person has already been established multiple times. What on earth is your point?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That stunningly obvious truth about you, me, and practically every other white person has already been established multiple times. What on earth is your point?

Then why the brag about being with non-whites?

Sorry, but you asked a completely pointless question with an answer that even a first grader could have guessed. "Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?" You got an answer. Stop whining.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Sorry, but you asked a completely pointless question with an answer that even a first grader could have guessed. "Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?" You got an answer. Stop whining.

They were thought (do you recognize the term rhetorical?) questions with obvious answers. I didn't need answers. I KNEW the answers!

Great! Now we ALL know the answer!

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They were thought (do you recognize the term rhetorical?) questions with obvious answers. I didn't need answers. I KNEW the answers!

But WG you know JL has all the answers

Mr. Cheerful has returned. Yay, I guess. But I'll bet EVEN CLETE can answer this one. "Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?" Be careful Clete. It's one of those "thought question" thingies.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Mr. Cheerful has returned. Yay, I guess. But I'll bet EVEN CLETE can answer this one. "Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?" Be careful Clete. It's one of those "thought question" thingies.

Well unless you mean while wearing my custom made black leather coat, never. Doesn't stop me from knowing black people, there are a few in my Church and they don't feel uncomfortable at all associating with us whities but then, this is a different place

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Mr. Cheerful has returned. Yay, I guess. But I'll bet EVEN CLETE can answer this one. "Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black? Shopped while Black? Attended a mostly white church service while Black?" Be careful Clete. It's one of those "thought question" thingies.

You apparently don't know what rhetorical means.

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It's one of those "thought question" thingies.

Oh good! Sounds right up my ally.

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"Btw, how often have you driven a car while Black?

I've Driven a Black car while having a black face on, dressed as a woman. (Halloween party)

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Shopped while Black?

I went Shopping while having two black eyes and half my body being black and blue.

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Attended a mostly white church service while Black?"

I've attended a 'mostly white church' being black...same Halloween party.

In todays world, if somebody says they are 'Black' who are you to disagree?

Anything and everything is broadcasted across the globe. I member when news was a once a day thing.
But noooo! We weren't getting enough news, we needed MORE News. Now we can watch/listen news 24hrs a day.
Being fed way too much information, and the downhill spiral continues...news, news, news down, down, down!

When I was a young Lad, I was taught to be color blind...But nooo, that isn't right anymore.
Welcome to the Jungle Baby!!!

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You apparently don't know what rhetorical means.

There are rhetorical questions and then there are foolish questions.

Why is it that no one ever asks, "Have you ever driven while Latino," or "Have you ever driven while Native American?" "Have you ever driven while female?" "Have you ever driven while a dog?" They would all be equally shallow questions that would make as much sense as asking, "Have you ever driven while black?" Best of all, "Have you ever BEEN black?" The supposed point of such "wise" questions is to suggest that a white person cannot understand what it's like to be black. But the reverse is also true, and it's true on many other levels as well, so it's all just nonsense that takes a discussion nowhere useful and has, as best as I can see, no other purpose but to try to make the person asking the question feel wise and insightful. It certainly has nothing to do with the DC trial.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

There are rhetorical questions and then there are foolish questions.

Rhetorical means no answer or response is needed. Even you have outdone yourself!

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

There are rhetorical questions and then there are foolish questions.

Why is it that no one ever asks, "Have you ever driven while Latino," or "Have you ever driven while Native American?" "Have you ever driven while female?" "Have you ever driven while a dog?" They would all be equally shallow questions that would make as much sense as asking, "Have you ever driven while black?" Best of all, "Have you ever BEEN black?" The supposed point of such "wise" questions is to suggest that a white person cannot understand what it's like to be black. But the reverse is also true, and it's true on many other levels as well, so it's all just nonsense that takes a discussion nowhere useful and has, as best as I can see, no other purpose but to try to make the person asking the question feel wise and insightful. It certainly has nothing to do with the DC trial.

Nice try to dismiss the relevance of others.