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He's not mad (you haven't ever seen him mad) -- and he's not wrong either. The threat of long-term or future health problems, especially with heart and lungs, are the clouds hanging over the heads of those young people who survive COVID-19.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yeah. There's always the threat of the unknown. Same thing is true of driving cars. 40,000 dead a year, and countless injuries, and yet there is no call to do away with cars. At any rate, you still have not said what should be done other than what is being done now. The Trump vaccine is the great hope at this point. I don't know of anything else other than vitamin C and other very marginally effective ideas. The Trump vaccine is the only path forward.
Yes, get rid of gasoline-powered cars (and thus preserve our environment and air quality) by the use of electric cars and smart cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Numbers 3 and 4 are not part of the general conversation so far. Even you apparently don't follow those very helpful guidelines.Quote:
At any rate, you still have not said what should be done other than what is being done now.
Trump doesn't believe the virus is that big a deal and has nothing to do with any vaccine development except maybe saying, "Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Have fun playing with those chemicals."Quote:
The Trump vaccine is the great hope at this point.
Still. No answers. Oh well.
So your scheme to go electric would not solve the highway deaths problem. What would it cost? Prediction: You have no idea.
That reading comprehension problem pops up yet again....Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Reduce the speed limit. Have periodic driver written and road tests for licensed drivers. If we stop spending millions of dollars on oil drilling e.g., we could put that money into manufacturing low-cost electric cars.Quote:
So your scheme to go electric would not solve the highway deaths problem. What would it cost? Prediction: You have no idea.
The weak as water excuse making shows up again. Poor WG. She can't make her case, so it has to be someone else's fault.Quote:
That reading comprehension problem pops up yet again....
So the cost of electric cars is bigger government and less freedom? No thanks.
What you forget is electric cars have to be powered by electricity, solar cells don't work at night so the renewables cycle doesn't sync therefore the options are nuclear or fossil fueled and the lithium battery industry is a serious pollutant, given there is enough lithium to produce all those batteries, it is another liberal pipe dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Absolutely well said.Quote:
What you forget is electric cars have to be powered by electricity, solar cells don't work at night so the renewables cycle doesn't sync therefore the options are nuclear or fossil fueled and the lithium battery industry is a serious pollutant, given there is enough lithium to produce all those batteries, it is another liberal pipe dream
Why should I get mad? You presented ratios not data, factors without the actual numbers. Very interesting but incomplete. If you have those real numbers with age breakdowns I would love to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I would never get mad when I intend to chunk a rock...it ruins my accuracy.
At night my friend plugs her electric car into an outlet in her garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Nope. I'm doing what you taught me to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You have no idea how ridiculous that statement is, do you? But to make you happy, feast your eyes.Quote:
ratios not data,
Age Group Percentage Count 0 - 4 Years <0.1 48 5 - 17 Years 0.1 108 18 - 29 Years 0.5 1,063 30 - 39 Years 1.3 2,573 40 - 49 Years 3 6,034 50 - 64 Years 14.8 29,791 65 - 74 Years 20.8 41,795 75 - 84 Years 27 54,159 85+ Years 32.5 65,148
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics
Happy now? Over 85% of deaths were 65 or above. Stay safe, Tal.
Do the math. That's still a lot of young people. SO FAR.
Yeah. 0-30 it's about 6/10 of 1 percent. Now every life is important, but a person would have to be stupid beyond belief to not see that the big, big risk is 65 and above, and the below 50 group has much, much, much, much, much less risk. And that is exactly the point that you decided must surely be wrong.
In ten to twenty years, have a health chat with those who had mild symptoms or worse and then recovered, and were below 50 in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yeah. I'll be sure to do that.
and this proves what? that old people die, how very preciousQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Be safe JL, you and your family. I know how I would feel if my kids were part of that 3%. One mans statistic is another devastation.
again you are ignoring the reality of the cost of producing electricity and lithium on the environmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And the cost of pumping oil and of fracking....Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Another friend put solar panels on his roof. His electricity costs went to zero.
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Originally Posted by paraclete
This is paraphrased from Forbes, a right-leaning publication, showing that electric vehicles are far better for the environment than internal combustion vehicles.
The stark difference in emissions between electric vehicles and internal combustion vehicles over the course of their lifetimes is tremendous. With no combustion and complete lack of tailpipe emissions, electric vehicles produce the bulk of their emissions through their manufacturing process and the sourcing of their energy including the use of rare earths, giving them an advantage over petrol and diesel-powered cars.
As electric vehicles become more common and manufacturing becomes more widespread, battery recycling will be more efficient and reduce the need to extract new materials, therefore lessening the reliance on mining and production of new batteries.
The total impact of electric vehicles is more pronounced when looking at their complete lifetime, where combustion engine vehicles are unable to compete. Electric vehicles are responsible for considerably lower emissions over their lifetime than vehicles running on fossil fuels regardless of the source of their electricity.
Done at a profit, and not a burden on the taxpayer.Quote:
And the cost of pumping oil and of fracking....
If that is true, then he also put in a supremely expensive bank of batteries, a converter, an auxiliary generator, and the cost of the whole thing was likely several tens of thousands of dollars. No thanks. Not too long ago I priced a solar system for a SMALL cabin. Just that was 6K, and that did not involve labor.Quote:
Another friend put solar panels on his roof. His electricity costs went to zero.
I agree, roof top solar is a dumb decision, all it does is transfer to cost from the energy company to the financier and even if you own it outright it is at best a zero sum game, Solar cells have a limited life, twenty years if you are lucky and batteries even less. What happens when the sun doesn't shine. Even in the climate I am blessed with, virtually perpetual sun shine I couldn't justify itQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yep. It makes no sense. One good hailstorm and back to starting over. Solar and wind are both pretty nonsensical alternatives. Here, they would never be used at all if not for government subsidies. And yes, that is the same government that cannot produce a balanced budget.
Yes common sense is not very common, but stupidity is very common, afterall, half the human race are below average intelligence and we know who they vote for don't we? or maybe notQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We are developing stuff where we can, and just because YOU have no sun and wind doesn't mean somebody else that does shouldn't harness it. That would be crazy. Overcoming obstacles is what some people do and is the road to progress.
Develop and use anything you want. "Harness" what you want. Just don't ask the rest of us to fund it with tax monies, because that is the only way any of it gets done. Without substantial tax subsidies, wind and solar would be as dead as they deserve to be. And don't make me laugh by suggesting that you are overcoming obstacles on the "road to progress".
all hands on deck and let the market decideQuote:
Develop and use anything you want. "Harness" what you want. Just don't ask the rest of us to fund it with tax monies, because that is the only way any of it gets done. Without substantial tax subsidies, wind and solar would be as dead as they deserve to be. And don't make me laugh by suggesting that you are overcoming obstacles on the "road to progress".
Market forces only develop things there is a market for
Or will be a market for. A good salesman can sell anything...even ice water to an Eskimo.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
or a Trump to the american electorate but as Lincoln said you can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Trump found that out and Biden should remember that as should all salesmen
ER...sure it was Lincoln that said that?
from https://abrahamlincolnassociation.or...ver-said-that/Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Early recollections place the saying in an 1858 speech Lincoln delivered in Clinton, Illinois [during the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates]. The first appeared in 1904 by E. E. Pierson, who remembered Lewis Campbell, a respected citizen of DeWitt County, telling him of the 1858 speeches that Lincoln and Douglas delivered in Clinton. According to Campbell, Lincoln said, “Judge Douglas cannot fool the people: you may fool people for a time; you can fool a part of the people all the time; but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”
People talk about deaths from covid but the overall death rate isn't higher, so you have to wonder is this a plot to ruin our economies
what are you comparing the "overall death rate " to ? Worldwide 106,147,600 people have had the virus and at least 2,316,000 people have died from covid in a year .
I do think there are some who would take advantage of the pandemic to advance their political agenda . My examples of Dems suddenly being desperate to open the economies and schools since Quid was enthroned are examples of that.
A bit one sided considering the whole repub approach to this health crisis. Ignoring the pandemic and the lies served no one but themselves or so they thought. Maybe JOE inherited an economy/crisis that was ready for the corner to be turned but no less than the dufus taking credit for his inheritance either.
What I'm saying and have done before is that covid hasn't increased the overall death rate but it has increased the panic rateQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This false report first claimed in a university newspaper in October 2020 was promptly debunked by the CDC. However, it has become a widely quoted story principally by right-wing media.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Deaths from March 15, 2020 to January 16, 2021 were 20% higher than normal. This is probably an undercount since death statistics are still being updated. This data is from the CDC report issued on February 8, 2021.
The world-wide death rate for 2020 was but marginally higher than 2019. It represented an increase of less than 0.5% and was actually lower than several of the preceding years.
Year Death Rate Growth Rate 2020 7.612 0.440% 2019 7.579 0.440% 2018 7.546 -0.320% 2017 7.570 -0.320% 2016 7.594 -0.330% 2015 7.619 -0.310% 2014 7.643 -0.310% 2013 7.667 -0.980% 2012 7.743 -0.960%
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/WLD/world/death-rate
Thank you Jl my point exactly
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