They both piss me off! Despicable acts by despicable people usually does. How about YOU?
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They both piss me off! Despicable acts by despicable people usually does. How about YOU?
Except you talk about the pres unceasingly but never mentioned the church being burned. Hmmm.
I don't recall ever being angry at someone for holding up a Bible.
I've come out against criminals and the hypocrisy of the ilk of the dufus using the bible as a prop for his photo op.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yeah. If he was a really sincere, committed Christian like Obama, then it would be different? (sarcasm meter set to 10.5)
Obama did a lot more than hold a bible for a photo op. No sarcasm, but you already know that!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yeah. He advanced the causes of abortion and gay marriage. He allowed Americans to die in Benghazi. He doubled the national debt. Good job!!
More like he accepted the growing support for those issues, while the dufus has done nothing about either.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
People died, and people have died on the dufus watch as well, but Obama's debts allowed the US to rebuild after a GLOBAL financial crisis caused by rich dudes rip offs, and gave the dufus a solid foundation to grow faster. That's over with, as now we have well over 100,000 deaths from a virus and a destroyed economy and a huge debt on his watch.Quote:
He allowed Americans to die in Benghazi. He doubled the national debt. Good job!!
Your old loony right wing talking points will fail to distract us from what's happening NOW given people in the streets traumatized by the images of a callous murder of a citizen by an officer sworn to serve and protect.
What a convenient excuse.Quote:
Obama's debts allowed the US to rebuild after a GLOBAL financial crisis caused by rich dudes rip offs, and gave the dufus a solid foundation to grow faster.
Talk about drama. Sheesh. Now if we could just get people interested in the fact that over half of the people murdered in the U.S. are black, and 90% murdered by another black person. I suppose you would say it's a shame they're not being murdered by white people. Then you could become upset about it.Quote:
people in the streets traumatized by the images of a callous murder of a citizen by an officer sworn to serve and protect.
Our goose is laying nicely, 29 years without a recession, and only Covid19 has put a dint in that. The economy doesn't belong to private ownership, it belongs to the people, and yes, it should be regulated otherwise the exploiters remain unchecked. I don't prefer a nanny state nor do I prefer unbridled capitalismQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The way you talk you are happy for a little black on black violence then you can justify your attitudes. It is obvious you are not upset about it, but don't worry your blacks are solving your problem for youQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then we agree.Quote:
I don't prefer a nanny state nor do I prefer unbridled capitalism
Not sure what you mean by that. I was referring to who owns the means of production.Quote:
The economy doesn't belong to private ownership, it belongs to the people,
Still trying to dismiss me and move the narrative to your liking huh? Good luck with that! You should know better by now my friend. 8) I mean why would a brother from the inner city be upset by the white guy that claims to know the inner city?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have said many times it's the poverty through the perpetuation of RACISM that fuels the deaths in America. Your attempts to blame the inner cities is an example of that perpetration and a pathetic excuse to shift blame, responsibility, and accountability. Such a sad attempt to oppress, suppress, and exploit for gain.
Hopefully the POORER blacks and whites as the struggle for equality as written by the founders becomes more REAL!Quote:
The way you talk you are happy for a little black on black violence then you can justify your attitudes. It is obvious you are not upset about it, but don't worry your blacks are solving your problem for you
At some point you need to come up with some evidence for that. I think I can EASILY demonstrate that the biggest problems BY FAR faced now by the black community are centered around the behavior of black people.Quote:
I have said many times it's the poverty through the perpetuation of RACISM that fuels the deaths in America.
Unless, of course, it happens to be true. It's not a put-down of anyone. The problems afflicting the black community are much the same as what the rest of the country faces. I can guarantee you this. You can remove all the confederate statues, eliminate the ten (or whatever the number is) instances of murder by cop, kneel for the playing of the National Anthem at every NFL game, and the conditions in the black community will change none at all. But if you reverse the out of wedlock birth rate, improve the school situation, reduce criminal activity, and promote hard work and perseverance, the situation will change dramatically. In ten or fifteen years we would start to talk about "black privilege". But that will all require self discipline, honesty, and accountability. It is certainly much easier to point the finger elsewhere, but it is much less productive. And again, to be clear, it is the same problem the entire country faces. It's more widespread in black communities, but still very much in existence.Quote:
Your attempts to blame the inner cities is an example of that perpetration and a pathetic excuse to shift blame, responsibility, and accountability. Such a sad attempt to oppress, suppress, and exploit for gain.
You're the one who needs to come up with evidence. Your comments here are riddled with racism and untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Your casual dismissal of blacks murdered by cops as ten is off by a mere 880%! And that's only through June 4.
No I don't as video technology has and is still capturing the previously under reported antics of police brutality for all to see. We can argue about the behavior of some black people, who perpetrate a criminal intent, as long as we also discuss the vast majority segregated in the poor part of town who have no resources to uplift their neighbor hoods and schools nor begin to build wealth that happens in other parts of our society. Poverty perpetrated by racism and all you have to do is follow the money like I did, have done, and you obviously have NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No it's not true to an extremely large extent, no more than freeing the slaves and leaving them on the plantation to fend for themselves with no ownership of the lands they worked or access to the capital to do so, save for the shopkeepers and supplier of goods who exploited them. Much like the predatory lenders that exploits them now. Of course all you focus on is a narrow view of the problems of the inner cities because you haven't listened closely enough to those folks who try to tell you the REAL DEAL so understandable you wave your bible and ignore all the crowded churches on Sundays and through the weak, like we need your preaching to improve our lives.Quote:
Unless, of course, it happens to be true. It's not a put-down of anyone. The problems afflicting the black community are much the same as what the rest of the country faces. I can guarantee you this. You can remove all the confederate statues, eliminate the ten (or whatever the number is) instances of murder by cop, kneel for the playing of the National Anthem at every NFL game, and the conditions in the black community will change none at all. But if you reverse the out of wedlock birth rate, improve the school situation, reduce criminal activity, and promote hard work and perseverance, the situation will change dramatically. In ten or fifteen years we would start to talk about "black privilege". But that will all require self discipline, honesty, and accountability. It is certainly much easier to point the finger elsewhere, but it is much less productive. And again, to be clear, it is the same problem the entire country faces. It's more widespread in black communities, but still very much in existence.
We survive today as a people through our faith as we always have. How else can you explain putting up with 400 years of white people BS? We've already overcome a lot, and that will continue to be the case.
Nonsense. You're counting all blacks killed by the police. As any thinking person knows, when you are armed and dangerous, then your chances of being killed are pretty good, white, black, or otherwise. In 2016, 16 unarmed black men were killed by the police. As the Michael Brown case showed, just being unarmed does not make the case amount to a police murder, but use 16 if you want to. In the meantime, thousands and thousands of black Americans are murdered EVERY YEAR by other black Americans. For that matter, use your phony figure of 88. 150 black people are murdered EVERY WEEK. You don't care. I do.Quote:
Your casual dismissal of blacks murdered by cops as ten is off by a mere 880%! And that's only through June 4.
Between the two of us, I'm the only one showing any concern for them. We wouldn't even be talking about them if I didn't bring it up. There is no political capital to be gained through it, so lib dems don't care. Well, someone ought to care. If I could do anything at all to help a young black child, or for that matter any child, grow up with significant advantages, it would be to have even a somewhat decent father in the house who is married to the child's mother. The statistics on that are just overwhelming.Quote:
as long as we also discuss the vast majority segregated in the poor part of town who have no resources to uplift their neighbor hoods and schools nor begin to build wealth that happens in other parts of our society.
I do agree that black people have overcome great problems. Much of their ability to persevere was due to healthy families. Now, that is no longer the case.
I haven't waved my Bible.
I am proposing common sense ideas. You are proposing...nothing.
https://gillespieshields.com/40-fact...rent-families/
lol easy to build strawmen to knock down . Tell me when there was unbridled capitalism since perhaps the mid 19th century .Quote:
I don't prefer a nanny state nor do I prefer unbridled capitalism
Would it be a fair statement to say that Australia is a nanny state?
The whole nanny state argument is a strawman one, since it's about a strong social safety net for citizens who fall through the cracks of society. It's roots are in judeo-christian teachings of helping the least among us. The laws and regulations governing that safety net are a state function and applied by the states, assisted by the federal government in cases of the poorer states.
NO! Australia and nearly every other developed nation in the world regard their social safety net as a priority for it's citizens. Only in America is it vilified by the conservatives as a disincentive for work. Work is a requirement if it's available, and has a 5 year limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, it's not. That teaching calls for a voluntary giving of one's resources to help another person. The idea of the government using one person's money to basically buy the vote of another person is totally foreign.Quote:
It's roots are in judeo-christian teachings of helping the least among us.
If work is available? When unemployment was below 4%, then work was available to anyone who wanted it. For that matter, a person could have gotten two jobs. Of course it's a disincentive for work.
I am counting EXACTLY what you claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Which sure as hell doesn't include you.Quote:
As any thinking person knows
As usual, when confronted with your error, you simply change what you originally posted.
This would be funny if it weren't coming from so pathetic a source.Quote:
I am proposing common sense ideas.
Hardly voluntary when commanded by God through his prophets.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What an incredibly cynical attitude! Do you or will you refuse Social Security? No, I didn't think so. How about the GI Bill? Child labor laws? Medicare? Medicaid? What does your Bible say about paying taxes? And on and on ........Quote:
The idea of the government using one person's money to basically buy the vote of another person is totally foreign.
Well, easy enough to find out. And as usual, you are wrong.Quote:
I am counting EXACTLY what you claimed.
"So, here’s the 2018 breakdown of the 995 people shot and killed by the police.
403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.
Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown."
I believe the figure for 2019 was 9, but still looking for verification on that.
https://www.newsmax.com/bernardkerik.../22/id/899297/
Where did the prophets command the government to collect and distribute money for the poor? Hint: It actually did occur in the OT, but was only for Israel. I just wonder if you know where to find it.Quote:
Hardly voluntary when commanded by God through his prophets.
Where?Quote:
As usual, when confronted with your error, you simply change what you originally posted.
More of this would help.
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/w...4ad9d__700.jpg
Or this. At A Waffle House In La Marque, Texas, This Elderly Man Told The Waitress That His Hands Weren’t Working Too Good. He Was Also On Oxygen And Struggling To Breathe. Without Hesitation, She Took His Plate And Began Cutting His Ham.
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/w...e579c__700.jpg
Whose vote is your state buying? Why can't governments have rules and regs based on religious doctrine? Such good works and worthy endeavors are not confined to churches only, just as marriage (for economic purposes, or otherwise) is not the exclusive domain of religion. Many get married at the local courthouses.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It wasn't below 4% everywhere, and in many regions it was much higher, and the black community was almost twice as high as white unemployment. Even red state governors have sought waivers for it's citizens to use for jobs training instead of work to meet the requirement.Quote:
If work is available? When unemployment was below 4%, then work was available to anyone who wanted it. For that matter, a person could have gotten two jobs. Of course it's a disincentive for work.
This works too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXIqmDqzWE
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZiH1jEX...pg&name=medium
https://images03.military.com/sites/...?itok=Axihpnlr
https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/...4x512.jpg.webp
https://journalstar.com/news/local/c...fab072ef1.html
A liberal dem is asking that question? Can't pray in schools, or post the Ten Commandments. We have gay marriage and abortion, but we can tax because of religious doctrine? Well, I guess so.Quote:
Why can't governments have rules and regs based on religious doctrine?
I was raised differently, I guess. I never expected anyone else to support me. It never crossed my mind, and I still feel that any man worth his salt will work and take care of his family. Move if you have to. Work two jobs if you have to, but don't expect someone else to pay your bills. And if you work hard and smart, you can actually end up in a good place. Welfare will never do that for you. I don't care what your skin color is. Get off your butt and get busy living.
You can't make others pray with you nor have ANY religious postings, but nobody stops anybody from praying as individuals or groups as long as it doesn't disrupt school functions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School...ligion.%20More
You aren't taxed because of religious doctrine, you are taxed to support the functions of government.
YUP! Leave it to a liberal dem to expose your lies and half truths.
Welfare is the helping hand to get you on your feet when life knocks you down. Why do conservatives keep trying to make it seem like it's a sin?Quote:
I was raised differently, I guess. I never expected anyone else to support me. It never crossed my mind, and I still feel that any man worth his salt will work and take care of his family. Move if you have to. Work two jobs if you have to, but don't expect someone else to pay your bills. And if you work hard and smart, you can actually end up in a good place. Welfare will never do that for you. I don't care what your skin color is. Get off your butt and get busy living.
it's not sinful to help out Tal, but when taxes are used for this purpose, conservatives see it as robbery, welfare should be out of surplus not deficit so that is why for centuries it has been the provenance of the Churches who do not tax. In your country gifts to churches and charity are seen as a reduction of personal income and so are tax deductible, but you can't have it both ways unless it is government who are taking over charity, in which case they need to do a far better jobQuote:
Welfare is the helping hand to get you on your feet when life knocks you down. Why do conservatives keep trying to make it seem like it's a sin?
Judas needs to be exposed. It's done very well on this website. Whenever it happens, he comes back foaming at the mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
A simple concept, rooted in Christianity, that conservatives seem to miss.Quote:
Welfare is the helping hand to get you on your feet when life knocks you down. Why do conservatives keep trying to make it seem like it's a sin?
There are many schools where prayer groups are not allowed unless, of course, they are for Muslims.Quote:
nobody stops anybody from praying as individuals or groups as long as it doesn't disrupt school functions.
It was your idea. I was just responding to it. Remember???Quote:
You aren't taxed because of religious doctrine, you are taxed to support the functions of government. YUP! Leave it to a liberal dem to expose your lies and half truths.
Wishful thinking.Quote:
Welfare is the helping hand to get you on your feet when life knocks you down.
Respectfully disagree, 'clete. Jesus tells a fitting parable on this subject - the widow's mite. She gave from her substance, not her surplus.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
A poor widow also came and put in two small coins worth a few cents. Calling his disciples to himself, he said to them, 'Amen, I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the other contributors to the treasury. For they have all contributed from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has contributed all she had, her whole livelihood.
Isn't it the Republicans who insist this is a Christian nation, founded by Christian men, yet don't want any government (tax) money to help those less fortunate among us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
It was not a tax. She gave voluntarily, which is why she was commended.
Amazing how you turn the parable to your own nefarious philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The point, which you so badly missed, is giving from her substance not her surplus. Your tendency to twist the words of Jesus is noted once more.
And again, "It was not a tax. She gave voluntarily, which is why she was commended." You were using the story to defend taxation which was 100% wrong.
No, I was using the parable the way Jesus intended it. It couldn't be more clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
To you...only. Takes vision.Quote:
It couldn't be more clear.
And to all those thousands down the ages that you love to cite and who understand the parable precisely as I've shown. Give it up Judas, you're drowning.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The thousands I love to cite, and you know they understand the parable as you do? You've read those "thousands" of commentaries and you know they agree with you? What is your problem? Do you really think anyone believes such nonsense?
Why do you pay taxes? The roads and bridges you help pay for are used by women who've had abortions and by doctors who've performed them. Wonder what "unacceptable people" (according to you) use that public library you support? Or attend your state universities? Or enjoy the public parks in your state? I just can't believe you contribute to their happiness and wellbeing!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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