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  • Jun 2, 2020, 01:47 PM
    talaniman
    A pox on the houses of the loony fringes. Left and right!
  • Jun 3, 2020, 12:36 PM
    talaniman
    An interesting development.

    read://https_www.nytimes.com/?url=ht...4969268de5c8c3

    This is the interesting part for me though.

    Quote:

    “The F.D.A., in my view, bowed to the pressure and issued what’s called an ‘emergency use authorization’ for the drug,” said Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Committee on Finance, which sponsored the hearing. “Doing so threw open the door to tens of millions of pills, including some, directly related to this hearing, manufactured inside facilities in Pakistan and India that have either failed F.D.A.’s inspection or never been inspected by the F.D.A. at all.”
  • Jun 3, 2020, 01:42 PM
    tomder55
    if they failed they should be stopped at customs. There is nothing in the law that allows for adulterated drugs to be approved . I deal with customs delays by the FDA at ports of entry all the time . Product is not released if not approved ;emergency use authorization or otherwise .I wait weeks for deliveries based on FDA holds .
  • Jun 3, 2020, 05:53 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    This Antifa group is just the latest manifestation in a long line of leftist agitator groups going back at least to SDS or Weather Underground that led riots in the 60s ;and 2 of them Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were mentors to the community agitator ,the emperor

    When you have no defense, attack the other guy. The issue is today, not 60 years ago.

    Quote:

    It is a clever deception and false flag to say that White extremists are doing the attacks. Nothing on Twitter can be taken at face value . They have already demonstrated their political biases .
    The white extremists are INSTIGATING the attacks via social media - an established method. Your dislike of Twitter does not invalidate the truth.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 05:16 AM
    talaniman
    Not surprising that some would dismiss the radical rights efforts, after dismissing the Russians actions of 2016. No surprise at all.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 05:31 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The white extremists are INSTIGATING the attacks via social media
    I doubt that. It's just an effort to excuse the actions of the ones on the streets making the decisions and doing the damage. I don't think the rioters look at each other and say, "Hey, the boss man on Twitter said to go loot and burn Walmart, so here we go."
  • Jun 4, 2020, 05:48 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I don't think the rioters look at each other and say, "Hey, the boss man on Twitter said to go loot and burn Walmart, so here we go."

    Thanks for providing how YOU would instigate via social media. Your method is preposterous. The reality is light years more subtle than that.

    Talk about zooming over one's head! WOW!
  • Jun 4, 2020, 05:58 AM
    talaniman
    Doesn't take much to motivate a criminal to do illegal stuff. Just the opportunity.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 07:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Doesn't take much to motivate a criminal to do illegal stuff. Just the opportunity.
    Exactly correct.

    Quote:

    Your method is preposterous. The reality is light years more subtle than that.
    Perhaps one day you can explain how it works.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 07:49 AM
    tomder55
    don't buy it . NYC is reporting that weapons like bricks and molotov cocktails are being pre-staged . There is too high a degree of coordination for this to be a bunch of Twitter screamers
  • Jun 4, 2020, 07:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    And to suggest that white supremacists are doing the coordinating just seems unreasonable to me.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 07:57 AM
    tomder55
    I've seen White Supremacists rallies . The participation numbers in the dozens or less . Every one thinks that they have the influence that they had in the 1930s
  • Jun 4, 2020, 07:58 AM
    jlisenbe
    I've seen the same thing. How many do I know, or even personally know of? Zero.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 08:11 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I've seen White Supremacists rallies . The participation numbers in the dozens or less . Every one thinks that they have the influence that they had in the 1930s

    They came from all over to converge in Charlottesville. Organized on line. Never underestimate the enemy or what they are capable of.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 08:20 AM
    jlisenbe
    Here's your big crowd. There must have been...twenty of them!! And they came from all over?

    https://thewrenthamreview.files.word...ally.jpg?w=840
  • Jun 4, 2020, 10:23 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Here's your big crowd. There must have been...twenty of them!! And they came from all over?

    https://thewrenthamreview.files.word...ally.jpg?w=840


    Ah, your scrapbook. Where are you in the picture?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Perhaps one day you can explain how it works.

    The subtlety of things zooms far above you. Sorry, not a chance you would understand.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 10:31 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    zooms far above you.
    As people say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Why don't you come up with your own descriptors instead of having to copy mine?
  • Jun 4, 2020, 10:33 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As people say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Why don't you come up with your own descriptors instead of having to copy mine?

    You've already said that. It's getting stale. Don't you have anything new?
  • Jun 4, 2020, 10:37 AM
    jlisenbe
    Because you keep doing it. Have you no imagination of your own?
  • Jun 4, 2020, 10:49 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Because you keep doing it. Have you no imagination of your own?

    No much of an answer, is it? Lame.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Lame.
    You copied me again!! Unreal. At least I know I am having a good influence on you.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:14 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I know I am having a good influence on you.

    I doubt you've ever had a good influence on anyone!
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:16 AM
    jlisenbe
    Doubting seems to be your strong point.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:19 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Doubting seems to be your strong point.

    Better than having NO strong points!
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:21 AM
    jlisenbe
    Enough. We don't care for each other's views. That's fine by me.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:24 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Enough. We don't care for each other's views. That's fine by me.

    It's always been fine with me. I enjoy pointing out your errors.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:25 AM
    jlisenbe
    If you ever do, then let me know.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:27 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you ever do, then let me know.

    No problem. Just go back and read the last several months.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:29 AM
    jlisenbe
    As usual, no specifics.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:31 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As usual, no specifics.

    They're all there for the reading.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:34 AM
    jlisenbe
    Sure they are.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 11:36 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Sure they are.

    Yup, they sure are.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 01:22 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    The study in Lancet is flawed and it is a study and not a clinical trial .


    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847488&p=3853190#post3853190


    Lancet's retraction :

    Quote:

    After publication of our Lancet Article,1 several concernswere raised with respect to the veracity of the dataand analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporationand its founder and our co-author, Sapan Desai, inour publication. We launched an independent thirdparty peer review of Surgisphere with the consent ofSapan Desai to evaluate the origination of the databaseelements, to confirm the completeness of the database,and to replicate the analyses presented in the paper.Our independent peer reviewers informed us thatSurgisphere would not transfer the full dataset, clientcontracts, and the full ISO audit report to their serversfor analysis as such transfer would violate clientagreements and confidentiality requirements. As such,our reviewers were not able to conduct an independentand private peer review and therefore notified us of theirwithdrawal from the peer-review process.We always aspire to perform our research in accordancewith the highest ethical and professional guidelines. Wecan never forget the responsibility we have as researchersto scrupulously ensure that we rely on data sources thatadhere to our high standards. Based on this development,we can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primarydata sources. Due to this unfortunate development, theauthors request that the paper be retracted.We all entered this collaboration to contributein good faith and at a time of great need duringthe COVID-19 pandemic. We deeply apologise toyou, the editors, and the journal readership for anyembarrassment or inconvenience that this may havecaused.
    https://marlin-prod.literatumonline....3620313246.pdf
  • Jun 4, 2020, 02:02 PM
    jlisenbe
    It is now official. The world has gone crazy.

    Fired FBI director James Comey to teach ethics at Virginia college

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...olence/559835/
  • Jun 4, 2020, 05:54 PM
    talaniman
    Well the dufus said he was smarter than the generals so they are now speaking out against him, and the medicos will follow after he stopped listening to them too. No the world isn't crazy but the dufus certainly is acting like a nut!
  • Jun 4, 2020, 06:39 PM
    jlisenbe
    Comey to teach ethics? Come on. Even a died in the wool liberal dem can see the irony in that. It would be like Trump teaching a class on social skills.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 06:50 PM
    talaniman
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ter-06-04-2020

    Answer why I should obey a guy in camouflage and a gun but no identification or insignia?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...heim-ntp-feeds

    I guess the dufus got his wall.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 06:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    Your article opens with the tear gas lie, so it was hard to follow the rest of it. But for the WH to extend its security perimeter in this particular time seems reasonable to me.
  • Jun 4, 2020, 06:59 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post

    Can't think of a better place to put it, it will keep those southerners from Florida in
  • Jun 4, 2020, 07:01 PM
    talaniman
    Might have to cut off the lights and water too.

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