Who on this boards logic is it you question and why? What does Iran and methenol have to do with the US? Please explain.
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Who on this boards logic is it you question and why? What does Iran and methenol have to do with the US? Please explain.
The insane logic that because the pres expressed hope in a particular medicine, then it was somehow his fault that an older couple took a chemical made for cleaning fish tanks. It would be just as crazy to blame Trump for the Iranians drinking methanol because he said drink plenty of liquids if you get sick. It's a simple and yet accurate comparison.
The cure doesn't get used on the population it gets used on the hospitalised, that is under medical supervision, thus few deaths. The infection rate has slowed and has been less in the last two days, infections are from cruise ships, arrivals and people who have come in contact with them, there are few infections not from such sourcesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"Drink plenty of liquids" is a far cry from "drink plenty of water."
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He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic
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The very same day he mentioned it . Il duce Cuomo announced that NY STATE would begin clinical trials designed for fast track approval that began Tuesday . So now NY is administering dosage of the drugs under supersision . It is grossly unfair for the left to blame one idiot couple deciding to poison themselves with fish tank cleaner on Trump . I'm done with this issue . It is a waste of time to respond to this ridiculous non-issue .
Who could imagine why Trump would have brought up the subject of a drug THAT SEEMS TO BE A CURE FOR CV? Good grief you have one of the worst cases of TDS I have ever seen. If Trump raised someone from the dead you'd criticize him for not being a licensed funeral director.Quote:
He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic.
"Drink plenty of liquids" is a far cry from "drink plenty of water."
315 million Americans and TWO decided he was suggesting they take fish tank chemicals. If you can make a statement and the odds are 157.5 million to one that people will understand your intent, then you have done fantastically, amazingly well. I'm not a fan of Trump, but this Trump hatred has reached the point of being obscene.
Funeral directors DO NOT raise people from the dead. That's NOT their job! Sheesh! The minister had his chance during the funeral!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It was two more than zero. I don't hate Trump, yet I do feel very sorry for him. Apparently, you don't watch his news briefings....Quote:
315 million Americans and TWO decided he was suggesting they take fish tank chemicals. If you can make a statement and the odds are 157.5 million to one that people will understand your intent, then you have done fantastically, amazingly well. I'm not a fan of Trump, but this Trump hatred has reached the point of being obscene.
You got the point.Quote:
Funeral directors DO NOT raise people from the dead. That's NOT their job! Sheesh! The minister had his chance during the funeral!
Craziness. 900,000 dead every year from abortion and you have nothing to say, but you want to go wild about two people out of 315 million who did something foolish.Quote:
It was two more than zero.
Sure sounds like hatred.
No. The topic on the table is the coronavirus. Stop with the diversion!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It is not a diversion to examine priorities whatever the circumstanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Of course it is! Start a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You start a new thread I started this one and it has long since gone off topic. The topic, if I may remind you, was the foolishness of panic in the face of a pandemic
Now, I would like to know, what is the point of stimulus if retail businesses, in fact, many businesses, are forced to close down, you can spend just so much money in a supermarket
It's not a diversion. It just strikes me as wildly strange that while you make a huge deal over the foolish decision of two people, you NEVER comment on the nine hundred thousand dead unborn children every year. I wonder why that is? It just smacks of being influenced by political hatred of Trump.Quote:
No. The topic on the table is the coronavirus. Stop with the diversion!
correct . To call this a stimulus package is a joke .It is at best an aid package .That it benefits those who were forced out of their job or business is a good thing probably since it was government action that forced them out . There is way too much pork in it (and I haven't even really looked at it in detail yet). And they foolishly added incentive for workers to not go back to work for months .Quote:
Now, I would like to know, what is the point of stimulus if retail businesses, in fact, many businesses, are forced to close down, you can spend just so much money in a supermarket
Has become all too typical. It used to be using taxpayer money to buy votes. Now it's become much worse, which is the use of borrowed money to buy votes.Quote:
There is way too much pork in it (and I haven't even really looked at it in detail yet). And they foolishly added incentive for workers to not go back to work for months .
You can expect in times of crisis for some to panic and do some dumb stuff and even exploit the situation. I don't see it as widespread, but certainly becoming a law enforcement issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Stop thinking of it as stimulus and see it as a maintenance fee during a down time.Quote:
Now, I would like to know, what is the point of stimulus if retail businesses, in fact, many businesses, are forced to close down, you can spend just so much money in a supermarket
An opinion on event, is making it a huge deal? That may be an exaggeration of a talking point and since when have ideological differences not been discussed here? We often get sidetracked into the side issues we personally peeve about. It's human nature to push a point by any means necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Just expressing an opinion does not make it a huge deal, so that's true enough, but when a person repeatedly makes comments such as, "He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic," then that qualifies as making a huge deal out of it. It is a complete loss of perspective and reason.Quote:
An opinion on event, is making it a huge deal?
The virus forced the action Tom, at least as I see it, but agree in the relief aid description. Watching to see if the bulk of the money for Big Biz gets used properly while we argue the age old argument of workers not wanting to work, and want free money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Big Biz LOVES free money!
The dufus could be more responsible and discreet with his words to the public but that is a hope we have had since he announced his bid in 2016. He hasn't changed so he gets BLASTED by those who oppose him like ME! Now maybe it's no big deal to you, but we both know that his words have consequences and even the SM reacts to them and that affects people, and not in a good way nor endears confidence or empathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ersight-152560
Sounds like a bully picking a fight to me. Or power grab!Quote:
But in a signing statement issued shortly after he approved the bill, Trump says he'll be the last word on whether this provision is followed.
"I do not understand, and my Administration will not treat, this provision as permitting the [inspector general] to issue reports to the Congress without the presidential supervision required" by Article II of the Constitution, Trump said in the signing statement.
of course they do . That is one of the moral hazard in giving it to them .Quote:
Big Biz LOVES free money!
That presumes that the only option was to shut down the entire American economy . That was not the only option . It is one we as a nation (or states ) chose . And we did it based on models that were not peer reviewed and had no data to back them up. Well now we are getting some data out of nations like UK and the data shows that much of the reaction was hyped up over reaction .Quote:
The virus forced the action Tom,
https://theweek.com/speedreads/90458...virus-immunity
Dr Deborah Birx said ; "I'm sure you have seen the recent report out of the U.K. about them adjusting completely their needs. This is really quite important. If you remember, that was the report that says there would be 500,000 deaths in the U.K. and 2.2 million deaths in the United States. They've adjusted that number in the U.K. to 20,000. Half a million to 20,000. We are looking at that in great detail to understand that adjustment.
I'm going to say something that is a little bit complicated but do it in a way we can understand it together. In the model, either you have to have a large group of people who asymptomatic, who never presented for any test to have the kind of numbers predicted. To get to 60 million people infected, you have to have a large group of asymptomatics. We have not seen an attack rate over 1 in 1,000. So either we are measuring the iceberg and underneath it, are a large group of people. So we are working hard to get the antibody test and figure out who these people are and do they exist. Or we have the transmission completely wrong.
So these are the things we are looking at, because the predictions of the model don't match the reality on the ground in China, South Korea or Italy. We are five times the size of Italy. If we were Italy and did all those divisions, Italy should have close to 400,000 deaths. They are not close to achieving that.
Models are models. We are -- there is enough data of the real experience with the coronavirus on the ground to really make these predictions much more sound. So when people start talking about 20% of a population getting infected, it's very scary, but we don't have data that matches that based on our experience.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/.../dr_birx_coronavirus...
That's a fair enough statement. He has a big mouth. I had hoped he would learn, but so far that's not been the case. But to suggest that he was responsible for the dire situation of the elderly couple is just foolishness. It's just TDS on steroids.Quote:
The dufus could be more responsible and discreet with his words to the public but that is a hope we have had since he announced his bid in 2016. He hasn't changed so he gets BLASTED by those who oppose him like ME! Now maybe it's no big deal to you, but we both know that his words have consequences and even the SM reacts to them and that affects people, and not in a good way nor endears confidence or empathy.
Just a talking point his big mouth provided. He does that a lot.
Except in this case he is probably correct about the chloroquine drug.
I'm POSITIVE they are looking at many drugs to combat this virus and hope he is right about the ones he mentioned. So far we got nothiing definitive and may not for a while.
Nothing definitive is a good description, but the early trials of the drug seem to be very encouraging.Quote:
So far we got nothiing definitive and may not for a while.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...e4d4383b52611f
supplies urgently needed locally are being shipped to China, I for one are fed up with Chinese stripping supplies for shipment to China, this has to stop
China thanks you not just for your dirt, but food and toilet paper too...at market rates?
I think it is time we instituted regional lockdown so criminal elements from the large cities cannot strip our stores, ID on entry to supermarkets
LOL, criminals have ID's and the money to buy up all the grocery stocks. Maybe a cop at the exits would be better.
i mean to enforce local buyers only
Boy the freedom to shop where one wants has been trampled in the dust. Guess you'll build a wall next huh? Or maybe just start with a fence and a dog.
Everything is closed down, the only reason to go out is to get fresh food, the silence is deafening, except for the tradies across the road who are running the gauntlet
The light traffic for my area is refreshing. 4 stores and home in 45 minutes yesterday? It was rather early though, but for a 10 months supply of TP, not bad, but the sobering news was my kids and Gkids are unemployed and sitting home getting on each others nerves.
Peeps catching hell. Churches closed, liquor stores open. Refrigerator trucks for morgues and the run on body bags. Somehow being able to wipe my own arse pails in light of the bigger picture.
Yes it is a revelation how quickly our mighty empires fall apart, brought low by something we cannot even seeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So very true.Quote:
Yes it is a revelation how quickly our mighty empires fall apart, brought low by something we cannot even see
A challenge to rise to, an obstacle to overcome, an opportunity to be better.
my ankless hurt I'm not overcoming anything more than that today
We sort of took the day off today, but back to the routine tomorrow...MAYBE!
what passes for routine, every day a new challenge
That's the routine here Clete.
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